Brent, I really hate to contrast you, I appreciate your mind and stances.
However:

*"About 1700 US troops died in Afghanistan in six years under Obama. About
600 died under Bush.  In Iraq 256 died under Obama, and 4500 under Bush.
But a "further hundred thousand" is accurate enough for Fox News."*

is official warmonger statistics, counting only select cadavers 'over
there' and discounting the victims of dying en-route or at home, later on
outside the official  statistical restraints. I wrote about 'victims'
(called heros?) forced into war and I also referred to other type victims,
like those who came home with injuries (bodily AND/OR mentally) plus those
whose lifes has been interrupted (marriage, careet, family etc.) why I
wrote *"sent to"* and not *"returned dead"*. It is not a Fox soundbite, I
am not supporting either of our political parties.
(Your supporting Sanders seems commendable, although not too hopeful.)

JM





On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 5:31 PM, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote:

> On 8/16/2015 12:52 PM, John Mikes wrote:
>
>> Brent:
>> did it slip your mind that your friend, the prez started the Arab
>> Awakening by stabbing Mubarak in the back by his letter and supporting the
>> US-enemy Morsi ("The first DEMOCRATICALLY(?) elected Egyptian prez and his
>> Brotherhood!!!)
>>
>
> What's your point?...that we should have continued to support Mubarak the
> same way we did the Shah in Iran?  I don't think Morsi was a US enemy
> except in the sense that any despotic tyrant should not be regarded as a US
> friend.
>
> together with his then Foreign Sec'y Hillary, giving billions in weapons
>> etc.
>>
>
> Egypt has been a big recipient of U.S. foreign aid since WW2, but it only
> gets about half as much as Israel.
>
> - then again  he stuffed the investors' etc. pockets with our health-care
>> billion dollars
>>
>
> Sounds like you write sound-bites for Fox News.  Under Obama the rate of
> growth in per capita healthcare cost has been brought down closer to the
> overall inflation rate.  So there are no extra billions for investors in
> health care.
>
> and
>> sent further hundredthousand Americans to their demise in the Middle East
>> (very few come home sane and safe)
>>
>
> About 1700 US troops died in Afghanistan in six years under Obama. About
> 600 died under Bush.  In Iraq 256 died under Obama, and 4500 under Bush.
> But a "further hundred thousand" is accurate enough for Fox News.
>
> and so on and on. But he is a religious(?) chap.
>>
>> Atheism is more than just absence of belief IMO: it requires a
>> supernatural to disbelief in it.
>>
>
> So does disbelief in witches require that witches exist "to disbelief
> in"?  How about your disbelief in a competent Obama?  Does it require that
> a competent Obama exist?
>
> I look at a 'religiously motivated violence' with suspicion since I still
>> look for a fitting definition for 'religious'. I asked Samiya where does
>> 'Satan' come into the picture in vain. IMO every thinking person starts out
>> with SOME belief (e.g. the existence (reality?) of an infinite complexity
>> we like to call 'WORLD'' of which we only know a small fraction.)
>>
>> Telmo's 'douchebag' is a criminal: he lured character-weak persons into
>> his casinos to take their money (legitimately!) and added it to his
>> billions. Every gambling Bigboss is a criminal. I saw too much in my 93
>> years so far.
>>
>> I am not an ''A"- THEIST, I am an ágnostic.
>>
>
> So you're uncertain as to whether there's an extremely powerful person who
> created the world and loves you and wants you to love him and if you don't
> he'll torture you forever in an afterlife.  Just how uncertain are you
> about this?  50:50?  40:60?
>
>
> Brent
>
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