Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Just one remark: we cannot make a piece of matter wet in arithmetic >
I know, but why not? If arithmetic is more fundamental than physics as you say then we should be able to write a program that would get the computer wet, and yet we can't and your theory can not give an adequate explanation of why not. > > > but once we postulate computationalism, we can prove that all the piece of > computations leading to the first person experience of feeling wet, or > clenching your thirst, exist in arithmetic > C omputationalism postulates that the computations a* PHYSICAL* computer produce can create intelligent behavior and consciousness, but computationalism does *NOT* postulate that computations exist in arithmetic independent of physics. Show me a example of arithmetic all by itself making a calculation and you have won this argument, not a definition, not a proof, an *EXAMPLE*. Stop talking about it and just show me! > > I will please you and not use pronouns > > Bruno Marchal just did. > > > someone asked JC, before the duplication, what do you expect to live. JC > remarked that "you" is ambiguous. Oh, but you agreed that you will survive, > And JC responded: "Yes "you" will survive provided that "you" is defined as somebody who remembers being a man in Helsinki, but if that personal pronoun is defined in some other way or, as often happens on this list, not defined at all then JC might have a different answer to "will you survive" or have no answer at all because gibberish has no answer". > > > so you expect to live some experience, no? > Explain what that *GODDAMN* personal pronoun "you" means and JC will provide an answer! Bruno's " I will please you and not use pronouns " promise sure didn't last long. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
