On 2/10/2015 2:22 pm, Jason Resch wrote:
On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 2:28 AM, Bruce Kellett <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    I understand what you mean by "psychological continuity". I simply
    maintain that such a concept makes no sense between conscious
    beings outside each others light cones.


1. Do you think you could in theory be taken apart atom by atom, and put back together to "survive" this ordeal? 2. Do you think it is important that all atoms be put back into their exact places, or could two hydrogen atoms, from different parts of your body and brain be swapped without making a difference? 3. Do you think you could be reconstituted after being taken apart atom by atom, using mostly new atoms? 4. Do you think you could be reconstituted after being taken apart atom by atom, using an entirely new set of atoms? 5. Do you think the distance between your deconstruction and reconstruction is of any relevance to whether or not you survive? 6. Do you think time between your deconstruction and reconstruction is of any relevance to whether or not you survive? 7. Do you think there is some non physical element of you, beyond your organization of atoms, which must travel to (and be limited by the speed of light) the location of your reconstruction in order for you to survive the reconstruction?

If you answer *yes* to questions 1-4, and *no* to questions 5-7, then bringing up light cones is irrelevent. The existence of identical instances of you 10^10^28 meters away enable the survival of your consciousness.
"Your" consciousness? Your series of questions above all involve a physical transfer of information, in which case light cones are relevant, because there can be no physical transfer of information from you now to a point outside your future light cone. If there is a purported copy of you outside your past and future light cones, then there is no way that it can be verified that it is actually a copy. So the question is purely hypothetical, without operational content.

If you answered yes to question 7, in what sense is the reconstituted, atom-for-atom identical version of you not alive, or not you, whereas one created by beaming a signal to guide the arrangement of the atoms in a certain way from the location of your destruction, /is/ you or /does result/ in you?

    If there can be no physical interaction, then there is no
    continuity, psychological or otherwise.


In the computationalist doctrine, you are your patterns and information. If those patterns and information continue and survive elsewhere, you survive. The history of how the atoms got to be in the pattern of information they are now in is of no relevance to how the atoms behave and interact.

So much the worse for the computationalist doctrine! It becomes a matter of unverifiable faith, so of no relevance to any serious scientist. What is even worse, if "The history of how the atoms got to be in the pattern of information they are now in is of no relevance to how the atoms behave and interact", then you have abandoned any possibility of connecting your theory with the physics of the observed universe.

Bruce

    Duplication of a person, even an entirely emulated AI, requires a
    physical transfer of information. Information is physical, and its
    transfer is subject to physical laws. You can't circumvent this by
    inventing some magical concept of "psychological continuity".

    Bruce


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