On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 11:20 PM, Jason Resch <[email protected]> wrote:
> > There is no evidence physical objects change. > Be honest now, do you really believe that remark deserves a response? > > Most of reality we cannot observe. I'm comfortable with there being many > things outside our small sphere of observability. Why aren't you? > If something is outside my sphere of observability then for me to take it seriously I insist I understand WHY it is outside my sphere of observability . I clearly understand why objects more distant than 13.8 billion light years are outside my sphere of observability so I take them seriously, but if calculations without matter that obeys the laws of physics do exist nobody has been able to explain to me why I can't observe them, so until somebody shows me such a calculation or explains why I can't see them I can't take the idea seriously. >> >> >> I think there was a 100% chance that the universe I live in would be a >> universe amenable to life, >> > > > > Read "The Cosmic Landscape". > Why, does Susskind say there is less than a 100% chance that the universe I live in would be a universe amenable to life ? >> >> I >> deny anything >> that contradicts experimental results. >> > > > > So then you have no reason to deny other universes which are by definition > unobservable. > I never said I did, in fact I said more than once that I thought Many Worlds was the best (perhaps least wrong would be more accurate) quantum interpretation that I know of, but that doesn't prove it's correct. > > If you believe 2 + 2 = 4, > I do but apparently you do not, you said a calculator or anything physical is simulating arithmetic so all you can believe is that simulated 2 and simulated 2 is equal to simulated 4. > > > then you should also believe the function F defined as F(x) = x + 2, will > [...] > A function "will" do absolutely nothing, in the future the function will be exactly the same as it is right now. A function can not perform a calculation and neither can a definition, but a microprocessor made of matter that obeys the laws of physics can. > > >>> >> >>> >>> The Church-Turing thesis says that it is impossible for any computation >>> (or program) to know what hardware it is running on. >>> >> >> >> >> It's not impossible at all, the John Clark program knows it is being run >> on 3 pounds of grey goo. >> > > > > He doesn't. As he said earlier, he doesn't know whether or not Nick > Bostrom is right. > If Nick Bostrom is right then the John Clark program is STILL being run on 3 pounds of grey goo , it's just that the 3 pounds of grey goo is being run on a computer at a higher level. Computer X may be simulating computer Y which is simulating computer Z which is running the John Clark program, but computer Z is still running the John Clark program. >>> > >>> the material universe is only apparent. >> >> >> >> >> how would things be different if the >> material universe >> was not >> only apparent >> ? >> > > > > It wouldn't be any different. > I agree, therefore the words "only apparent" that you use above has no meaning. > >>> > >>> >> >>> >>> Russel Standish and Bruno Marchal both recovered a quantum reality from >>> information theory and self-reference logic alone, respectively. >>> >> >> >> >> Extra virgin, triple distilled, premium grade *BULLSHIT!!! * >> > > > > Your bold-faced text and explanation points were extra convincing. > Yes I thought so too that's why I did it, not that much convincing is necessary; anybody who had done half of what you claimed would be not just the greatest scientists who ever lived but the greatest human being who ever lived times 1000. And I just don't think Russell or Bruno are in that category. John K Clark > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
