On 16/10/2015 12:53 pm, Jason Resch wrote:
On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 7:36 PM, Bruce Kellett
<bhkell...@optusnet.com.au <mailto:bhkell...@optusnet.com.au>> wrote:
Two different meanings of the word 'exist'. Physical existence relates
to physical objects; mathematical 'existence' relates to mathematical
ideas.
If you think these are the same thing, then show me the conscious
being that exists independently of any physical substrate. The
fact that you appear unable to do this, and no-one else has ever
done it either, is overwhelming evidence that no such non-physical
conscious beings exist.
Until you can point to a difference that makes a difference, between
physical existence and mathematical existence, and no-one else has
ever done it either, I see no reason to accept that "physical
existence" is somehow more special, or more capable than mathematical
existence.
That particular difference does make a difference. Physical existence
refers to objects of the physical world: mathematical 'existence' refers
to mathematical ideas that 'exist' only in Patonia. Such platonic
objects cannot be touched, kicked, or otherwise manipulated except
insofar as physical objects might be taken to resemble them. If a
calculation in platonia can produce consciousness, then show me the
conscious being that is independent of any physical substrate.
I will allow you to provide the necessary interface between the
platonic and the physical, so that that conscious being can communicate
with us mere mortals. Such an interface must be possible in your theory
(though not in mine) because you claim that the physical is produced by
the platonic objects.
Get to it.
Otherwise this conversation has become repetitive and pointless.
Bruce
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