On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 9:18 PM, Bruce Kellett <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 16/10/2015 12:53 pm, Jason Resch wrote: > On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 7:36 PM, Bruce Kellett < > <[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote: > > > Two different meanings of the word 'exist'. Physical existence relates to > physical objects; mathematical 'existence' relates to mathematical ideas. > >> >> If you think these are the same thing, then show me the conscious being >> that exists independently of any physical substrate. The fact that you >> appear unable to do this, and no-one else has ever done it either, is >> overwhelming evidence that no such non-physical conscious beings exist. >> >> > Until you can point to a difference that makes a difference, between > physical existence and mathematical existence, and no-one else has ever > done it either, I see no reason to accept that "physical existence" is > somehow more special, or more capable than mathematical existence. > > > That particular difference does make a difference. Physical existence > refers to objects of the physical world: mathematical 'existence' refers to > mathematical ideas that 'exist' only in Patonia. Such platonic objects > cannot be touched, kicked, or otherwise manipulated except insofar as > physical objects might be taken to resemble them. If a calculation in > platonia can produce consciousness, then show me the conscious being that > is independent of any physical substrate. > > I will allow you to provide the necessary interface between the platonic > and the physical, so that that conscious being can communicate with us mere > mortals. Such an interface must be possible in your theory (though not in > mine) because you claim that the physical is produced by the platonic > objects. > > Get to it. > > Otherwise this conversation has become repetitive and pointless. > See Bruno's interview of the machine. Jason -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
