On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 7:31 PM, Telmo Menezes <[email protected]> wrote:
> > You value the telescope because you have scientific curiosity. In fact you > place scientific curiosity as a high value. > Yes. > > > I agree with you. > Good, if somebody on this list disagrees with that then they're on the wrong list, or I am. > > > Don't you see that people who are curious about ancient cultures have a > similar drive? > I'm curious about ancient cultures too, and building the world's largest telescope on a place where ancient people seldom if ever went will in no way diminish our knowledge of those ancient cultures. > > > Why is preventing one type of scientific endeavor ok (destroying Aztec > temples) > I am opposed to destroying Aztec temples but in favor of stopping their use as places for religious human sacrifice; however since the last Aztec temple was destroyed 500 years ago along with their religion, today it makes little difference if one is pro or anti Aztec. But it still makes a difference if one is pro or anti telescope. > > but objecting to the telescope not ok? You could even argue that the > former is graver because the data was destroyed forever, while the > telescope can always be built. > Big telescopes will never be built anywhere if we must always "respect" religious morons because big telescopes must be built on big mountains and a tall mountain will always be sacred to some superstitious dimwit somewhere. > > > if you want your telescope, it might be more productive to try to > empathize. > I have zero empathy for those no nothing jackasses, but I don't rank sincerity very high up on my list of virtues so I would be perfectly willing to pretend that I empathized if I thought it would do any good, but I don't. Self styled progressives have been pandering to and making excuses for religious dolts for centuries, and the result is airliners crashing into skyscrapers and fools preventing us from understanding how the cosmos works . I also think your recommendation is a perfect example of the racism of low expectations; the people who opposed the telescope are brown people so you can't expect them to be interested in cosmology, so just smile at them paternalistically when they "bow down to the mountain" pat them on the head and say "good boy". I prefer to treat them as adult human beings with an intelligence equal to my own and thus have no excuse for behaving like ignoramuses. > > Perhaps there's a way to make everyone happy. > I know what would make them happy, after their victory the native Hawaiians have gotten more aggressive and are now talking about removing the 2 largest telescopes in the world that have already been in operation for 15 years atop Mauna Kea. Why do you feel it's your duty to defend these people? John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
