On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 8:21 PM, Brent Meeker <[email protected]> wrote:
> It wasn't their land either until they conquered whoever was there before > them. > "Their" in the sense of being born there, and having some culture develop organically. Incidentally, you might like this: https://vimeo.com/50531435 > The "prime directive" was to not interfere in another culture...it > didn't say anything about replacing it. > Fuck, you must have been listening to too many political debates. Either that or you became a lawyer. > Should the Spaniards have "respected" the human sacrifice religions of > the Aztecs. > Perhaps, but I don't hold discovery-era Spaniard to modern standards. Their civilization was much less advanced. Surely they could have respected the historical and anthropological value of Aztec temples, instead of burning everything down to extract the gold. By today's standard. In realty, 16th century Spaniards couldn't give a rat's ass about human rights. It's just that the Aztecs were worshiping the wrong deity (which is to say, they bowed to the wrong power structure). And the Spaniards really wanted their stuff -- the land and natural resources. > Were we wrong to interfere in the Nazi culture of killing Jews and Gypsies? > Not at all, and there was no Nazi culture. There was an attempt by a charismatic leader to derail existing culture, taking advantage of post WWI German defeat and humiliation. > Do we have so little confidence in our own culture that we can't tell > superstition from reason? > I never said one couldn't or shouldn't tell superstition from reason. What I am saying is that you cannot bomb a population into reason (or replace a government, or perform financial warfare or whatever...) I have so much confidence in our culture that I believe we can lead by example. Telmo. > > Brent > > > > > On 12/22/2015 5:34 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > Disappointing, but I imagine a truly advanced civilization to have > something akin to the "prime directive" à la Star Trek. And respect the > fact that, superstitious and unsophisticated as the other cultures might > appear to you, they were there first and their land is not your land. > > We might have to adapt quickly to such a way of thinking, if we are not to > let the Donald Trumps of the world destroy our culture in a fight against > the Donald Trumps of other cultures. > > On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 6:56 PM, John Clark <[email protected]> wrote: > >> The death of the Thirty Meter Telescope seems complete. In a sad parade >> construction equipment has been coming down Mauna Kea for the last several >> days probably never to return. The state said the equipment could stay >> there if the Thirty Meter Telescope people want to appeal but that would >> take years and jittery donors are terrified of offending religious >> imbeciles; so it looks like they're not even going to try an appeal and are >> just throwing in the towel. Kuuipo Freitas, a native Hawaiian imbecile, >> said: *"It's all pretty much cleared now. We know right now there's no >> construction that's going to be happening on Mauna Kea. We need to stop >> bowing down to the dollar and starting bowing down to the Mauna. She can >> just stand majestically without being harmed."* >> So instead of an instrument to help us understand the universe we have a >> bunch of ignorant dimwits bowing down to a mountain. You'd think they were >> trying to build a glue factory and not one of the most noble structures >> ever built by humans on the planet. >> >> John K Clark >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to <[email protected]> >> [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to <[email protected]> >> [email protected]. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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