On Tue, Dec 22, 2015  Brent Meeker <[email protected]> wrote:

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> It wasn't their land either until they conquered whoever was there before
> them. The "prime directive" was to not interfere in another culture...it
> didn't say anything about replacing it.  Should the Spaniards have
> "respected" the human sacrifice religions of the Aztecs.  Were we wrong to
> interfere in the Nazi culture of killing Jews and Gypsies?  Do we have so
> little confidence in our own culture that we can't tell superstition from
> reason?
>

Well said. And I agree
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with the Hawaiians on one thing,
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Mouna Kea is
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indeed
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a very special place,
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but it's
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so special it
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belongs to the entire human race and is not the exclusive property of
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one particular
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tribe of anti scientific dimwits. On the
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Earth there are
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only 3 places
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that
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have good enough seeing conditions for a
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thirty meter telescope,
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Mouna Kea,
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the Atacama desert in Chile, and
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Dome C in
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Antarctica.  As far as off earth is concerned it will be many decades
before a thirty meter telescope can be built in space, the Hubble is only
2.4 meters
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in diameter, the thirty meter telescope,
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if it had been
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built,
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could
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have
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seen
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things 156 times dimmer
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than what the Hubble can see; but the wonders it could have told us about
are denied to us thanks to religious native Hawaiians and
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Mother Fucking Earth and Father Fucking Sky.


​This is the Everything List, we're supposed to ​be interested in the
ultimate nature of reality, and one group of people thinks the best way to
do that is to "bow down to the mountain" and the other group thought the
best way was to build a thirty meter telescope on top of that mountain. You
have to decide which group deserves your respect and which group you want
to be associated with. I've made my choice.

  John K Clark

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