On 18/04/2016 11:28 am, John Clark wrote:
On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 PM, Bruce Kellett <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>wrote:

        ​ >> ​
        Alice and Bob meet
        ​ in 4 different worlds because there are 4 different ways
        their lab books could be.


    ​ > ​
    There is only one Alice and one Bob in the one world I am talking
    about.


There is only one Alice and one Bob
​ in every world that I am talking about too, but there are 4 different worlds, and in each world they observe 4 unique particles; and 4 different yous are observing the
4 different
​ Alice and Bobs.​ The only way to know which of the yous is you is to observe Alice and Bob observe their particles.

They can talk about their results in their own worlds. So what?

    ​ > ​
    You appear to have a clear grasp of the situation -- either QM is
    intrinsically non-local, or we have magic......


​Or non-realism.

If by non-realism you mean some version of Einstein's "elements of reality", then this implies non-locality (a Bohmian-style model).

Bruce

And before the second half of the 20th century most physics would say non-locality WAS magic and non-reality ​was even more
disreputable
​ , but today we know from experiment that like it or not that's just the way things are. ​
​ ​


 John K Clark

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