On 20 Jun 2016, at 04:00, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 20/06/2016 4:09 am, Brent Meeker wrote:
On 6/19/2016 10:10 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
To ask for that explanation to also somehow encompass the
experience itself is both incoherent, and an illegitimate use of
the word 'explanation'."
Of course. Everybody agree here, but that is not what is done by
the philosopher of mind. We still want an explanation for the
experience, and computer science/mathematical logic provides it
(at least a solid embryo). The point is that it should be precise
enough to get physics, which it does, at the propositional level
at least.
If you think about explanations deeply, you realize that they
bottom out, if at all, in engineering - in prescriptions for how to
control, create, and manipulate. This is like ostensive
understanding.
Right.
The alternative, which Bruno actually suggested once but disowns,
is for explanations to form a "virtuous circle" in which everything
is explained in terms of other things ultimately forming loops:
NUMBERS -> "MACHINE DREAMS" -> PHYSICAL -> HUMANS -> PHYSICS ->
NUMBERS I call this "virtuously circular" if it is comprehensive
so that everything is somewhere in the circle.
The thing about such a loop is that you can start at any point --
for instance, PHYSICAL, HUMANS, PHYSICS, or anywhere else. The
question then is whether this actually achieves you anything?
Just stop on the simplest theory. Ig you can explain QM and
consciousness from elementary arithmetic, you make a gain compared to
starting from physicalist QM, which assumes Matter, QM (and thus
arithmetic, as QM already assumes arithmetic).
Well, you should formalize your theory so that we can at least
compare. I have already give three equivalent version of "my" theory,
which is probably the same of yours minus assuming mind and matter and
a mysterious link between, as far as I understand.
Bruno
Bruce
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