JKC wrote: -------------------------- Atoms are more fundamental than molecules but molecules have properties than atoms don't have, and molecules are more fundamental than life but life has properties that molecules don't have; in the same way consciousness needs intelligent behavior and intelligent behavior needs computation and computation need s physics.
John K Clark ----------------------------- Would you care to tell how you define 'life'? or: 'intelligent behavior'? furthermore - I hope - 'your' computation is not mathematical churnings only. (Com - putare means th put things mentally together). JM On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 12:29 PM, John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 9:44 PM, Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Bruno has shown that arithmetic is a viable candidate for explaining >> physics: >> > > > Bruno wasn't > > the first to discover that, > > people have > > known for > > 400 years > > that mathematics is the best language for describing physics, but the > point is mathematics is a *language* > * * > and > > physics isn't, physics just *is*. And even if it turns out that I'm wrong > and that in some sense mathematics is more fundamental > > than physics it wouldn't change the status of what this list is unhealthily > (in my > humble > opinion) obsessed with, consciousness. Whatever consciousness is one thing > is very clear, it can't be produced entirely from the > stuff at the > fundamental level of reality, and being more fundamental is not the same > as being more important. Atoms are more fundamental than molecules but > molecules have properties than atoms don't have, and molecules are more > fundamental than life but life has properties that molecules don't have; in > the same way consciousness needs intelligent behavior and intelligent > behavior needs computation and computation need > s > physics. > > > John K Clark > > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
