JKC wrote: -------------------------- Atoms are more fundamental than molecules but molecules have properties than atoms don't have, and molecules are more fundamental than life but life has properties that molecules don't have; in the same way consciousness needs intelligent behavior and intelligent behavior needs computation and computation need s physics.
John K Clark ----------------------------- Would you care to tell how you define 'life'? or: 'intelligent behavior'? furthermore - I hope - 'your' computation is not mathematical churnings only. (Com - putare means th put things mentally together). JM On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 12:29 PM, John Clark <[email protected]> wrote: > On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 9:44 PM, Jason Resch <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Bruno has shown that arithmetic is a viable candidate for explaining >> physics: >> > > > Bruno wasn't > > the first to discover that, > > people have > > known for > > 400 years > > that mathematics is the best language for describing physics, but the > point is mathematics is a *language* > * * > and > > physics isn't, physics just *is*. And even if it turns out that I'm wrong > and that in some sense mathematics is more fundamental > > than physics it wouldn't change the status of what this list is unhealthily > (in my > humble > opinion) obsessed with, consciousness. Whatever consciousness is one thing > is very clear, it can't be produced entirely from the > stuff at the > fundamental level of reality, and being more fundamental is not the same > as being more important. Atoms are more fundamental than molecules but > molecules have properties than atoms don't have, and molecules are more > fundamental than life but life has properties that molecules don't have; in > the same way consciousness needs intelligent behavior and intelligent > behavior needs computation and computation need > s > physics. > > > John K Clark > > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
