On 6/20/2016 6:26 PM, John Clark wrote:


On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 3:37 PM, Jason Resch <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

        ​Is ??? really the floor or does ??? need an explanation too?


    Valid questions. As you see the answer is not so clear cut,


​But what is clear cut is that the chain on "what caused that?" questions either comes to an end or it does not.

Explanation and cause are conceptually different. At the level of humans and agents it's useful to talk in terms of cause and effect, where "cause" refers to something we could change or at least could have been different. But in fundamental physics "cause" has disappeared because the theories are time symmetric. A causal theory now is just means one where no information can be propagated faster than c. Explanation, on the other hand is a subjective linking of ideas that leads from something you don't understand to something you do.

Brent


My hunch is it does come to an end but it's just a hunch, but It's also clear cut that if it does come to an end Bruno does not know what it is.​


        ​>>​
        If not and there are only finitely many layers to your pyramid
        then I think it more likely that physics =???, physics is the
        explanatory floor and mathematics is just the best language
        minds can use to describe physics.


    ​> ​
    That's a possibility, but it is a belief you learn towards (at
    least partially) on faith.


​Having ​a hunch is not the same as having faith. People with hunches are often correct but never certain, people with faith are seldom correct but always certain.

​ John K Clark​




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