On Sun, Jul 24, 2016 at 11:36 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> Both don't see both cities at the same time, but John Clark certainly >> will. > > > > > This is you clearest way to express your confusion between the 3-1 view > and the 1-views. > You say I'm confused and then start babbling about "*the* 1-view*s*"! That should be "the 1-view" . I know English isn't your first language but plural isn't used after "the". > > Even if we can say that the two copies is one guy, The Ohio and Missouri river merge with the Mississippi and so does the Ohio, so if I'm going upstream on the Mississippi to the end from New Orleans what one and only one place will I end up at? Or is that a silly question? > > > the fact remain that for all copies, the measurement result > (self-localization on W , M) are different for each of the copies. S elf-localization works great in the present (I know for sure who I am right now) and it works pretty well looking back into the past (it's hard to believe I thought that when I was 10 but I guess I did) , but even in our world it doesn't work worth a damn looking toward the future (I have no idea what I'll see or do or think next year) ; and if the world had Bruno Marchal duplicating machines S elf-localization the future would work even less well. > > and does not address any question of prediction Prediction is hard, especially the future. It's even harder if it's not made clear exactly who the prediction is supposed to be about. You can't give the correct answer if you don't know what the question is. > > Thanks for showing up the strategy to hide the first person witnessing the > consequence of mechanism. > The ultimate consequences of mechanism are very odd indeed but they are not paradoxical, and the only reason they seem strange is that our technology (not our basic science) is not yet good enough to highlight those odd consequences. That will all change in less than 100 years, perhaps less than 50. > > > It is interesting how your confusion 3-1 and 1 led you directly to > eliminate the first persons, > I'm not confused and it isn't very interesting, it's just elementary logic. In a world with person duplicating machines THE first person does not exist. The first person relative to the Moscow man makes sense , and the first person relative to the Washington man makes sense , and first person relative to the Helsinki i man makes sense BEFORE he walked into the Helsinki man duplicating machine, but after that talking about *THE* Helsinki man and *THE* first person is just ridiculous. > > > please stop talking like if you knew that Aristotle is correct and Plato > wrong > Before it was changed the title of this thread was "Aristotle the nitwit" and I think that was a far better name. Maybe "The Ancient Greeks didn't know where the sun went at night" would have been even better. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
