On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 10:25 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>> >>> > >>> >> >>> In our present case there is only one 3-1 view and two 1-views. >> >> > >> >> >> I agree there are two 1-views, so when you talk about "*THE* 1-view" >> >> I don't know which one you mean. > > > > The unique 1-view that you will live with certainty > So "you" is the one (of the two ) with *THE* unique 1-view, and " *THE* unique 1-view" is the view that "you" have, and round and round we go. And apparently the other one (of the two) does not have *THE* unique 1-view. Does that poor guy have any sort of view at all? > > S > o the "THE" becomes the indexical on the unique city you will live to be > in, > That's right Bruno, keep sweeping those foggy thoughts and fractured logic under the "you" colored personal pronoun rug . > >> >> The problem isn't that there is no FPI in >> >> self-duplication, the problem is there are too many. Before the >> duplication the guy would say from his FPI point of view "I only care about >> what happens to me, I don't care what happened to that other guy and I >> predict that after the duplication my attitude will not change". And after >> the duplication both agree that the words turned out to be true, but >> unfortunately for your case they would very very strongly disagree on the >> meanings of the words "I" and "me", one would say those words mean the guy >> who had been The Helsinki Man but now sees Moscow, but the other insists >> the words mean the guy who had been >> >> The Helsinki Man but now sees >> >> Washington. So tell me Bruno, which one is right? > > > > Obviously, both are right. > Obviously. And because of that it's equally obvious that personal pronouns like "I" and "me"are ambiguous in a world that has personal pronoun duplicating machines in it, and questions involving those words usually are too. > > > both copies know that both are right when saying I feel to be the > original Helsinki person, > True, therefore "what one and only one city will *I *see after *I *am duplicated?" is not a question, it's just a sequence of words ending in a question mark; and any probability given about the likely answer to that "question" is pure gibberish , and no amount of mathematics can change that. Turing didn't invent the saying but he could have, garbage in garbage out. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
