On 30 Jun 2017, at 19:36, John Clark wrote:

On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 1:07 PM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:

​> ​It just means that there is no proof that such larger prime number don't exist in the theory RA:

​Then theory RA sucks.

It is a very useful theory, like the bacteria Escherichia Coli has been useful for the development of molecular genetics.

You could say that E. Coli sucks because it cannot write english.

RA, which is logic +

0 ≠ s(x)
s(x) = s(y) -> x = y
x = 0 v Ey(x = s(y))
x+0 = x
x+s(y) = s(x+y)
x*0=0
x*s(y)=(x*y)+x

is the smallest finitely axiomatizable theory which is *essentially* undecidable (which means that not only the theory is undecidable, but all its consistent extension, (like PA, ZF, ...) are undecidable too. If you delete one axiom above, you get an undecidable theory admitting some decidable complete extension.

I use it because it is enough for the ontology. For the phenomenology, I need a machine having more introspective cognitive ability. PA is well suited by this. And PA is just RA + the induction axioms.

Note that

1) RA can (and do) emulate PA, and all other Löbian machine including us.

It is good to keep in mind that emulating is not the same as proving or believing. RA can prove that PA can prove RA's consistency, but that does NOT make RA able to prove its own consistency (like I can emulate Einstein's brain does not make me believing what Einstein will say, cf "Searles Chinese room mistake).

2) RA is the smallest finitely axiomatizable essentially undecidable theory, but is not the smallest Turing-complete theory. If we allow scheme of axioms, we can find still weaker theory, like Robinson other theory called R.

An excellent book on this (the original papers), is the Dover's book by Tarski "Undecidable Theories" (1953, Dover 2010).


Bruno






John K Clark​



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