On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 Stathis Papaioannou <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >> If after "you" walk into the duplicator at A "you" remain one when "you" >> walk out at B and also remain one when "you" walk out at C, and then ask if >> "you" are in B or C then things are just nuts. Either the word "you" or the >> word "one" has lost its meaning. >> > > > > The persons at B and C will both refer to themselves correctly as "I" and > both claim a single continuous stream of consciousness. > > The person at A will say he is not sure which stream of consciousness he > will find himself in > Then where is the big mystery? Mr. A is sure to find himself in the B continuous consciousness stream, that is to say the consciousness stream that remembers being Mr.A, and will be equally sure to find himself in the C consciousness stream and for exactly the same reason. It's really not that difficult, B has all of A's memories and C has all of A's memories but B does not have all of C's memories and C does not have all of B memories; a simple Venn diagram could show it all. Granted this would not be a everyday situation because people duplicating are a bit rare, but I'll be damned if I can find anything logically paradoxical about overlapping sets. > > > Everyone understands what the pronouns mean and agrees when they should be > used. > John Clark certainly doesn't understand what pronouns mean if they refer to the future and personal people duplicating machines are involved! And nobody on this list understands them any better, that's why as hard as they try they simply can't stop themselves from using them when they try to refute my points. A "you" and a "I" and a "your" in a few well placed areas in a sentence can cover up a astonishing amount of fuzzy thinking. >> >> If the question is being asked of the copies then it must have been >> asked after the duplication because the copies did not exist before the >> duplication, therefore in this case the question is not gibberish and >> actually has a answer. Mr. Copy you can expect to find yourself in B if you >> open your eyes and see B because the sight of that city is the one and only >> thing that will change you from being Mr. A to Mr. B. >> > > > You could also say there is no sense asking where I will end up if I take > the train because because the copy of me at the end if the journey did not > exist before the journey. > Well it wouldn't make sense to ask the person who got off the train anything before he got on the train! But unlike the duplicating machine example when it's all over and the train got to wherever its going to get to it would be easy to determine if the prediction "I will end up in B" was correct or not. My hunch is you'll probably turn out to be right and get off at B, but if not and you got on the wrong train and are in C you'll still feel like you. So why do we keep talking about prediction as if that has something to do with consciousness? >> >> which ONE of the 1001 won the bet, or at least tell me what the bet was >> supposed to be about. >> >> >> > > > > Like any bet, it is about maximising your gain. > Maximizing whose gain, who is Mr. Your? I asked before I'll ask again, which one of those 1001 people won the bet and who gets to decide who the winner is? > > > what is the best course if action? > I have no idea because what the best course of action is because you haven't explained just what the bet is nor who gets the reward for winning. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
