Le 25 juil. 2017 19:26, "John Clark" <[email protected]> a écrit :
On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 11:19 AM, Stathis Papaioannou <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> both had a equal continuous feeling of self *after* they walked out of >> the teleporter, so to ask the ONE* before* he walked into the teleporter >> and became TWO "Which ONE will become I ? " has no answer, and it has no >> answer not for any deep philosophical reason, it has no answer because it >> is not a question, it is gibberish. And that us why I think the title of >> this thread is very well named. >> > > > > It seems that I become one if the copies after the duplication because > that is my memory of how things turned out. > If after "you" walk into the duplicator at A "you" remain one when "you" walk out at B and also remain one when "you" walk out at C, and then ask if "you" are in B or C then things are just nuts. Either the word "you" or the word "one" has lost its meaning. > > > If this is an illusion > Illusions are fine, an illusion is a perfectly respectable subjective phenomena, but gibberish is not fine. > > > "which city should I (being any of the copies) expect to find myself in". > If the question is being asked of the copies then it must have been asked after the duplication because the copies did not exist before the duplication, therefore in this case the question is not gibberish and actually has a answer. Mr. Copy you can expect to find yourself in B if you open your eyes and see B because the sight of that city is the one and only thing that will change you from being Mr. A to Mr. B. > > To change the experiment, if I were told I would be copied 1000 times in A > and once in B, and prior to the duplication I had to bet on whether I would > end up in > [...] > Stop right there! ! Stathis Papaioannou is being told that IN THE FUTURE Stathis Papaioannou will be duplicated 1000 times in A and once in B , but the bet is not about that, it's about something or another called "I". How on earth could anybody determine which of the 1001 people is the one true "I" in order to determine who won the bet? How could anybody even figure out exactly what the bet was supposed to be about? And I wish I knew why we keep talking about predictions when good or bad they have nothing to do with our feeling of continuity or of self. > > the copy would get a payout if he bet correctly, > There are 1001 copies, which ONE is *THE* copy? Even in a world with people duplicating machines its easy to trace a continuos path of identity from the present into the past and say that fellow was me but that other fellow was not me, but its impossible to do the same thing for the future. And the reason its impossible is that we can remember the past but not the future. > > > it would be foolish not to bet on A. > Mr. B remembers being you just as strongly as the other 1000 and is absolutely positively convinced he is you. Why is Mr. B wrong? Why didn't Mr. B win the bet? If Mr. B isn't you who is he, a zombie? > > > It would also be foolish for the copies to try to argue (perhaps after > losing the bet) that the bet is incoherent, since most ordinary English > speakers would say they understood what it means and under what > circumstances a copy would be a winner or loser. > Then as a English speaker please tell this English speaker which ONE of the 1001 won the bet, or at least tell me what the bet was supposed to be about. The 999 who bet A won, the one in B who bet A lost.. If you had bet B, 999 in A lost and the only one in B win... So it's foolish not to bet A... But again, the loop, the peepee, etc John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
