On 31 Jul 2017, at 23:12, John Clark wrote:

On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 6:04 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:

​> ​The best prediction would have been "I predict that I will find myself in the city of Moscow or in the city of Washington, and I am unable to give any more precise information". Then after the experience is done,

​After the experience is done​ they STILL​ can't give any more precise information​.​

Correct. That is the incommunicability, or unprovability that we can survive (any experience). But we are working in the computationalist frame, where we accept that we surivive, independently that it is unprovable. In that case, we agree that, in the duplication scenario, both survive, and that we have to put onself in the place aof all copies to find the prediction which keeps correct for all of them. As Kim said once, undergraduate find the answer without problem. Only "W v M" does the job.




both the W-man and the M-man, which we have agreed are both the H- man, confirm the prediction.

​If the prediction was confirmed​ ​as being correct then where is this indeterminacy I keep hearing about?

Because the prediction was necessarily imprecise to start with. "W v M", the only correct prediction, assess the 1p indeterminacy. Like I can predict that a coin will fall on HEAD or on TAIL with certainty (assuming the usual default hypotheses).

Bruno


What thing hasn't been predicted? Answer: The THE 1p. ​What is "the THE 1p"? Answer: The thing that hasn't been predicted​. And round and round we go.​

John K Clark




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