On 30 Aug 2017, at 03:06, John Clark wrote:
On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 , Terren Suydam <[email protected]> wrote:
your point, over and over again, is about the limitations of
pronouns in the presence of a duplicating machine.
Yes.
> True enough, but irrelevant.
The thought experiment asks the question "what one and only
one city will YOU see after YOU have been duplicated and become
two?", so of course the meaning of the personal pronoun in the
question is relevant!
Lie by omission. Cf my post of the 27 August 2017.
Bruno
How could it not be?
> Pronouns aren't necessary to see the point of the thought
experiment.
If the dumb thing has a point at all it's to show that
yesterday neither the Moscow man nor the Washington man could have
predicted which city they would see, and I agree they couldn't. And
it's not just predictions they couldn't make, they couldn't do
ANYTHING yesterday because yesterday was before the duplication so
they didn't exist yesterday. However the Helsinki man did exist
yesterday and the
Helsinki man correctly predicted yesterday that the Moscow man
will be the one that will see Moscow and the Washington man will the
one that will see Washington and that both will have equally vivid
memories of being the Helsinki man yesterday.
And if there is something else that needs predicting nobody on
this list has ever said what it is, and we've been talking
about this damn idiot thing for years.
> All that's necessary is to imagine or simulate the first
person perspective of the one who gets duplicated.
Which ONE "THE first person perspective" is Terren
Suydam referring to "THE first person perspective" in
Moscow or "THE first person perspective" in Washington or
"THE first person perspective" in Helsinki?
John K Clark
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