On Wednesday, November 29, 2017 at 9:14:48 PM UTC, [email protected] wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, November 29, 2017 at 8:44:18 PM UTC, [email protected] > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, November 29, 2017 at 5:29:01 PM UTC, John Clark wrote: >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 10:51 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> > >>>> If, as you claim, any fundamental parameters can exist, >>>> >>> >>> >>> That >>> is NOT >>> >>> what I claimed >>> . >>> I claimed any >>> f >>> undamental parameter >>> that >>> can exist >>> does exist, I did NOT claim >>> any >>> f >>> undamental parameter >>> can exist. There is a HUGE difference! >>> >> > That's much more Tegmarkian than MWI. In the latter, the claim is that > except for the measurement realized, identical universes come into being > where the values not measured in this world, are realized, that is, > measured. So these other universes, if they exist, have the same > fundamental constants as our universe. AG >
Even if all parameters consistent with logic CAN occur, it doesn't necessarily mean they DO. I illustrated this possibility, but haven't proved it (and AFAIK, no one has), with my thought experiment using the real line. And in the case of the MWI, the parameters of those other worlds must be IDENTICAL to this world, since the claim of MWI is that those universes are identical except for the values measured. Now let's go back to Joe the Plumber. Suppose in this world he leaves the casino after one pull of the slot machine, having now created 10 million other universes. Presumably some of those other Joe's continue playing, some not, resulting in tens of millions of new universes, with identical Joe's, some continuing to play, and some not. And on and on it goes. Does this really make sense to you? Joe and slot machines is a parable. Purists can think of Joe in a lab, shooting an electron at a double slit. AG > > >>> >>> >>>> > >>>> then there would be universes where matter could NOT exist, and the >>>> reproducing of the measuring scenario would be IMPOSSIBLE! >>>> >>> >>> And that is why the MWI says everything that can happen does happen, >>> not everything that can't happen does happen. >>> >>> > >>>> You need help, badly, urgently. >>> >>> >>> Hmm, after communicating with you for a while I have reached the >>> following conclusion: >>> >>> you sir are an ass. >>> >>> John K Clark >>> >> >> You shouldn't have deleted what you actually wrote. Then we could judge >> what your words conveyed. I don't time now to dredge it up. In any event, >> the parable about the slot machine says it all. AG >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> AG >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
