On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 2:44 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> If a theory can only explain how 6% of the matter/energy in the > universe works then it can't be fundamental. > *?I don’t see why. That simply does not follow. A theory can be simply > incomplete, not advance enough* If its not advanced enough then it can't be fundamental. It could be that nothing is fundamental, nobody knows. > *> when you will understand the famous step 3, it can be shown that [...] * With famous step 3 it can be shown that Bruno Marchal hasn't spent 2 seconds thinking about what personal pronouns mean and believes we can keep using them exactly as they always have been used even after personal pronoun duplicating machines have been invented. > *> Plato is skeptical of observation.* And that is why Plato made so many stupid conclusions and that is the only reason the scientific revolution started around 1600AD and not around 400BC. > *> assuming Aristotle’s metaphysical axiom.* And Aristotle was also a fool. Bruno, just once write a post without mentioning one of those know-nothing jackasses. > >> nobody has ever seed a calculation done by anything except by matter. > > > >* False.* Stop telling me that and *SHOW ME*! Or better yet show somebody in Silicon Valley and become the richest man who ever lived. > *> you are ok with the fact that (3^3) + (4^3) + (5^3) = (6^3) is true or > false* I am OK with that because I made the calculation and I made it with my physical brain that is made of physical atoms that obey the laws of physics. > *> independently of you verifying this or not, then all computations are > executed in arithmetic independently of you* What computation? 2+2=4 is either true or it is not but that is not a computation, a computation is a way to examine a statement more closely and enables you to figure out if the statement should be put in the true or false category. We're talking about figuring out stuff not in the intrinsic correctness or incorrectness of something, and nobody, absolutely nobody, has ever seen anything figure out anything without matter that obeys the laws of physics. And that is not a assumption, metaphysical or otherwise, that is an observation. Yes I know your buddies the ancient Greeks didn't like observation but that is why they were such fools and that is why science remained stagnate for 2,000 years. > *> It has been useful for the progress of physics, but it has put the > mind-body problem under the rug for long.* Then lets get it from under the rug. Mind is what a particular part of the body, the brain, does. > *> There would be no computer if the mathematician (Turing) did not > discovered them in mathematics,* And there would be no Turing the mathematician without matter that obeys the laws of physics. > >> I still don’t know what what “indexical computationalism” is > > *> You still don’t know?* Nope I still don't know, and I'm not the only one, the only thing Google knows about it are from posts from you to this very list made in the last month or so. It’s more of your silly homemade baby-talk used to cover up fuzzy thinking. > *> That is explained in many posts,* And I refuse to study your posts just so I can learn your own personal slang words! Crackpots always make up lots and lots of new words and phrases because if they stated them using standard scientific language the fuzzy nature of the logic behind them would become all too apparent. > *> Indexical mechanism is the theological assumption that we can remain > alive and conscious when getting a digital brain digital transplant.* Theological? How can you get from the existence of matter to the existence of an omnipotent omniscient conscious being? Since I believe in the existence of matter and you don't I guess that means you're a atheist but I am not. I guess that also means words mean whatever Bruno Marchal wants them to mean. > >> I don't understand how anybody with half a brain could think >> saying "THE first person" would uniquely specify one and only one thing if >> "THE first person" duplicating machines are available. > > > > > *But we have explain you why this is not what the duplicated people can > feel, unless you add some telepathic connection between the duplicated > people,* You have never explained anything of the sort unless its in that wonderful post that you’ve been talking about for years that nobody can find. And a telepathic connection has as much to do with all this as the existence of matter has to do with a omnipotent omniscient conscious being . Exactly precisely nothing. > *> Plato and Aristotle provided the two basic different way to conceive > Reality* And both of their views were WRONG and both of them rejected the way to correct errors, observation and experiment. Unfortunately many like you took their advise and as a result we got 2,000 years of intellectual stagnation. These people quite literally didn't know where the sun went at night and we're still suposed to take their ideas seriously today?? John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
