On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 3:59 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> I know you love to invent new meanings for common words that nobody but >> you has ever heard of, however it makes no difference what meaning you have >> decreed the word "theology" should have today, if both christian and >> atheist scholars are involved in the study of theology and you tell me that >> Bob is studying theology then you have told me absolutely precisely >> *NOTHING* new about Bob. And Bruno, as a logician you should be ashamed >> of yourself. > > > >** > *Ad hominem* > Ad hominem my ass! Bruno, you just redefined a common word that everybody already knows so that is means exactly precisely NOTHING, and then you try to use that very same word as a key element in an argument that you claim is logical. And if that is not enough to make a professional logician blush in embarrassment what is? > > *+ boring vocabulary issues.* > You may think assigning a meaning to a word is dull but I think sucking every last bit of meaning out of a word is even more boring. Do you also think learning the meanings of mathematical symbols is boring? > > ** > *In science we just redefine the terms at the beginning of all papers* > In most scientific papers terms are not defined at all, there is no need to because they are already well known . It is very very rare that a scientific paper redefines a common term at the very start, and it NEVER happens that a term is redefined so that it means *nothing* in a a scientific paper, at least not one published in a respectable journal because they are not in the habit of printing gibberish. >> >> In other words you admit mathematics alone is not enough, it can't do >> everything, you've got to stick physical reality into the mix because >> physics can do some things mathematics can’t. > > > > > *You misread what I said. Yes, we need brain and physical machine to get > the human consciousness* > So physics can do something that mathematics can't. There are an astronomical number of examples of physics doing mathematics, I'm looking at one right now as I'm writing this on my computer, but there is not one example of mathematics doing physics. Mathematics is the best language for describing physics but mathematics is not physics any more than the word "dog" is a 4 legged mammal that says wo o f. > >* * > *You talk like a creationist * > I guess you can't think of a new putdown so its time to get out my old trusty rubber stamp that I've used dozens of times before and will continue to use every time you drag out that tired old insult: *Wow, calling a guy known for disliking religion religious, never heard that one before, at least I never heard it before I was 12. * > > ** > *You invoke Matter using it in a theological or metaphysical invalid way.* > I said i t before I'll say it again, as a logician you should be ashamed of yourself for sucking all the meaning out of the word "theological". >> >> Yes I am able to doubt it, just show me something that can calculate 2+2 >> without matter that obeys the known laws of physics and I would doubt it >> very much. But I'm not holding my breath. > > > > >* * > *Read any textbook,* > Show me a textbook that can calculate 2+2, but if that's too hard at least show me a textbook that is not made of matter that obeys the laws of physics. > > > * If you agree that all odd squares are either the sum of 1 and 8 > triangular numbers, or not, INDEPENDENTLY of any physical laws* > My agreement or disagreement is certainly not independent of physical laws. And triangular numbers is a story written in the language of mathematics, in what sense is that story more real than the story of Harry Potter written in the language of English? Actually I happen to think the triangular number story is more real than the Harry Potter story because it is more closely related to matter that obeys the laws of physics. But why do you think so? John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
