On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 8:33:23 PM UTC, Jason wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 2:50 PM, <agrays...@gmail.com <javascript:>> > wrote: > >> >> >> On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 1:11:23 PM UTC, Jason wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 7:42 AM, <agrays...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 12:30:02 PM UTC, Jason wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 7:04 AM, <agrays...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> *No "but's" about it! That's the 800 pound gorilla in the room that >>>>>> Many Worlder's studiously ignore. There's no proposed mechanism to >>>>>> explain >>>>>> the copying! They will appeal to the mathematics, which they rely on >>>>>> uncritically. But it's obvious that such reliance can lead to ridiculous >>>>>> results if taken literally. For example, Maxwell's equations have plane >>>>>> wave solutions, but plane waves don't exist! Think about what a plane >>>>>> wave >>>>>> is; all peaks and troughs extend to infinity, advancing along an >>>>>> infinite >>>>>> plane in every direction. And No, I don't have a classical view of >>>>>> reality, >>>>>> but neither do I fall in love with BS. AG* >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> Rather thank think of it like copying, think of it like this: >>>>> >>>>> - When a photon hits a semi-silvered mirror, it splits and takes two >>>>> paths. Now, both the photon's position and its direction are >>>>> multi-valued. >>>>> >>>> >>>> *Does it split into two photons, each having the same energy as the >>>> original photon?* >>>> >>> > It's one photon, with a property that is multi-valued. > > >> * If so, where does the added energy come from.* >>>> >>> > N/A - it's still just one photon > > >> * Or does it split in half?* >>>> >>> > N/A - it's still just one photon > > >> >>>> * Or does it take two possible paths, not both paths simultaneously? >>>> TIA, AG* >>>> >>> > If it's velocity property is multi-valued, you could say it follows more > than one path at the same time. > But this is not necessary the case. The superposition might be in terms of > polarization, rather than its velocity, and in that case it's only takes > one path. > > Jason >
*So it takes one of two paths, presumably with a 50% probability. How does this result in copies, of the photon or possibly entire universes? Sounds like you're grasping at straws to explain the copying mechanism. AG* > > >> >>> Think of it being only a change to the photon's properties. >>> >> >> *If you are able, and have the time, please answer my question above, >> specifically. TIA, AG* >> >> >>> It's not really two photons, it's a single photon, now holding multiple >>> values for some of its properties (which include velocity, position, >>> frequency, polarization, etc.) After interacting with a semi-silvered >>> mirror, the same thing always happens to a photon, it takes on multiple >>> values for its velocity. >>> >>> Jason >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> - We can use full-silvered mirrors to redirect this "multi-valued" >>>>> photon such that both of its positions will converge (while nonetheless >>>>> traveling in different directions on that intercept course) >>>>> - We can place an electron at that point of interception, such that >>>>> this multi-velocity photon interacts with and strikes this electron >>>>> (which >>>>> right now only has one position and zero velocity) >>>>> - When the multi-velocity photon hits the electron, the electron now >>>>> has two velocities (you could view it as in one case, it was hit from >>>>> below, and in another case it was hit from the side). >>>>> >>>>> So we see a clear case, where a photon, being in a super-position of >>>>> states, when it interacts with an electron, it's multiple states transfer >>>>> to that electron such that it now ends up in a super position, and will >>>>> have different positions and velocities over time. Anything that >>>>> interacts >>>>> with that electron, or doesn't interact with it will also become >>>>> multi-valued. >>>>> >>>>> Let's say there is a detection screen to the right of the electron, >>>>> the multi-valued electron interacts with the atoms in the detection >>>>> screen. Because the electron's position is multi-valued, and only one of >>>>> the electron's velocity's intercept the screen, the atoms in the >>>>> detection >>>>> screen also enter a super position, of having interacted with the >>>>> electron >>>>> and having not interacted with the electron (the upward moving electron >>>>> velocity misses the screen). So now there is a superposition of states >>>>> in >>>>> the room where a flash flash of light from the screen has occurred, and >>>>> where no flash of light on the screen has occurred. >>>>> >>>>> You can continue this example forward until you end up with yourself >>>>> in the room with two different brains, one where it is encoding memories >>>>> of >>>>> having seen a flash of light and another where it did not. Nothing >>>>> special >>>>> is itnroduced by the observer, the observer is, afterall, just a >>>>> collection >>>>> of particles, each of which may or may not enter a superposition of >>>>> states, >>>>> depending on whether or not they interact with any particle that is in a >>>>> super position. >>>>> >>>>> This is how the "copying" works. It's just state transfer. Think of >>>>> it as: >>>>> >>>>> x is in a superposition of +3 and - 3. In other words x = ±3 >>>>> y is 5 >>>>> >>>>> y interacts with x as follows: y = y * x >>>>> >>>>> What this means is y = 5 * (±3) >>>>> >>>>> Now y is multi-valued, in a superposition of 15 and -15. >>>>> >>>>> No magic full scale copying of entire universes. It's just particle >>>>> states can be multi-valued, and anything that interacts with a >>>>> multi-valued >>>>> particle is effected by it being multi-valued. >>>>> >>>>> Jason >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to everything-li...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to everything-li...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. >> To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.com >> <javascript:>. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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