On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 5:14 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 8:33:23 PM UTC, Jason wrote: >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 2:50 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 1:11:23 PM UTC, Jason wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 7:42 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 12:30:02 PM UTC, Jason wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 7:04 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> *No "but's" about it! That's the 800 pound gorilla in the room that >>>>>>> Many Worlder's studiously ignore. There's no proposed mechanism to >>>>>>> explain >>>>>>> the copying! They will appeal to the mathematics, which they rely on >>>>>>> uncritically. But it's obvious that such reliance can lead to ridiculous >>>>>>> results if taken literally. For example, Maxwell's equations have plane >>>>>>> wave solutions, but plane waves don't exist! Think about what a plane >>>>>>> wave >>>>>>> is; all peaks and troughs extend to infinity, advancing along an >>>>>>> infinite >>>>>>> plane in every direction. And No, I don't have a classical view of >>>>>>> reality, >>>>>>> but neither do I fall in love with BS. AG* >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> Rather thank think of it like copying, think of it like this: >>>>>> >>>>>> - When a photon hits a semi-silvered mirror, it splits and takes two >>>>>> paths. Now, both the photon's position and its direction are >>>>>> multi-valued. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Does it split into two photons, each having the same energy as the >>>>> original photon?* >>>>> >>>> >> It's one photon, with a property that is multi-valued. >> >> >>> * If so, where does the added energy come from.* >>>>> >>>> >> N/A - it's still just one photon >> >> >>> * Or does it split in half?* >>>>> >>>> >> N/A - it's still just one photon >> >> >>> >>>>> * Or does it take two possible paths, not both paths simultaneously? >>>>> TIA, AG* >>>>> >>>> >> If it's velocity property is multi-valued, you could say it follows more >> than one path at the same time. >> But this is not necessary the case. The superposition might be in terms >> of polarization, rather than its velocity, and in that case it's only takes >> one path. >> >> Jason >> > > *So it takes one of two paths, presumably with a 50% probability. How does > this result in copies, of the photon or possibly entire universes? Sounds > like you're grasping at straws to explain the copying mechanism. AG* >
That's not what I said. You should re-read my original answer and description. Jason > > >> >>> >>>> Think of it being only a change to the photon's properties. >>>> >>> >>> *If you are able, and have the time, please answer my question above, >>> specifically. TIA, AG* >>> >>> >>>> It's not really two photons, it's a single photon, now holding multiple >>>> values for some of its properties (which include velocity, position, >>>> frequency, polarization, etc.) After interacting with a semi-silvered >>>> mirror, the same thing always happens to a photon, it takes on multiple >>>> values for its velocity. >>>> >>>> Jason >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> - We can use full-silvered mirrors to redirect this "multi-valued" >>>>>> photon such that both of its positions will converge (while nonetheless >>>>>> traveling in different directions on that intercept course) >>>>>> - We can place an electron at that point of interception, such that >>>>>> this multi-velocity photon interacts with and strikes this electron >>>>>> (which >>>>>> right now only has one position and zero velocity) >>>>>> - When the multi-velocity photon hits the electron, the electron now >>>>>> has two velocities (you could view it as in one case, it was hit from >>>>>> below, and in another case it was hit from the side). >>>>>> >>>>>> So we see a clear case, where a photon, being in a super-position of >>>>>> states, when it interacts with an electron, it's multiple states transfer >>>>>> to that electron such that it now ends up in a super position, and will >>>>>> have different positions and velocities over time. Anything that >>>>>> interacts >>>>>> with that electron, or doesn't interact with it will also become >>>>>> multi-valued. >>>>>> >>>>>> Let's say there is a detection screen to the right of the electron, >>>>>> the multi-valued electron interacts with the atoms in the detection >>>>>> screen. Because the electron's position is multi-valued, and only one of >>>>>> the electron's velocity's intercept the screen, the atoms in the >>>>>> detection >>>>>> screen also enter a super position, of having interacted with the >>>>>> electron >>>>>> and having not interacted with the electron (the upward moving electron >>>>>> velocity misses the screen). So now there is a superposition of states >>>>>> in >>>>>> the room where a flash flash of light from the screen has occurred, and >>>>>> where no flash of light on the screen has occurred. >>>>>> >>>>>> You can continue this example forward until you end up with yourself >>>>>> in the room with two different brains, one where it is encoding memories >>>>>> of >>>>>> having seen a flash of light and another where it did not. Nothing >>>>>> special >>>>>> is itnroduced by the observer, the observer is, afterall, just a >>>>>> collection >>>>>> of particles, each of which may or may not enter a superposition of >>>>>> states, >>>>>> depending on whether or not they interact with any particle that is in a >>>>>> super position. >>>>>> >>>>>> This is how the "copying" works. It's just state transfer. Think of >>>>>> it as: >>>>>> >>>>>> x is in a superposition of +3 and - 3. In other words x = ±3 >>>>>> y is 5 >>>>>> >>>>>> y interacts with x as follows: y = y * x >>>>>> >>>>>> What this means is y = 5 * (±3) >>>>>> >>>>>> Now y is multi-valued, in a superposition of 15 and -15. >>>>>> >>>>>> No magic full scale copying of entire universes. It's just particle >>>>>> states can be multi-valued, and anything that interacts with a >>>>>> multi-valued >>>>>> particle is effected by it being multi-valued. >>>>>> >>>>>> Jason >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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