From: *smitra* <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
On 31-07-2018 01:51, Bruce Kellett wrote:From: JOHN CLARK <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> Einstein didn't say nothing can move faster than light, he only said matter and energy and information can't. Thanks to recent experiments with Bell's Inequality we already have rock solid evidence that quantum influences (but not information) can move much faster than light and are consistent with being instantaneous . John K Clark I am glad that someone else on this list actually understand the implications of Bell's theorem. In fact, it is not even Bell's theorem that is important here -- it is the experimental confirmation of the existence of correlations between space-like separated events that shows that instantaneous influence-at-a-distance exists. Bell ruled out any _local_ hidden variable explanation, but we could have non-local hidden variables (Bohm). These, if material, would be FTL, but one does not need to go down this path, and there is no evidence for it. Bruce A concept of "influence" without any information transfer is ambiguous.
Not at all. The meaning is clear -- what I see at this end depends on what happens at the other end. No ambiguity at all. No information transfer either -- that would involve FTL signalling. And the randomness of the process rules out FTL signalling.
The meaning of this "influence" will be dependent on the particular interpretation used, it has no operational meaning.
See above. That is the operational meaning. Bruce -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
