> On 11 Aug 2018, at 02:29, Bruce Kellett <bhkell...@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > From: Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be <mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> >>> On 9 Aug 2018, at 14:03, Bruce Kellett <bhkell...@optusnet.com.au >>> <mailto:bhkell...@optusnet.com.au>> wrote: >>> >>> The original Alice and Bob are those in the same branch of the wave >>> function all the way along. There are no unmatched Alices or Bobs. >> >> In each branch, I agree. But to get the reasoning right, and treat the case >> of the violation of Bell’s inequality, we need to take into account the >> unmatched Alice and Bob who exist “transworldly” if I can say. They belong >> to different branches, and can never meet again. That is important to make >> the FTL eventually into an illusion, still keeping the violation of the >> Bell’s inequality. > > It is fairly clear that you are not talking about quantum mechanics here, but > rather about some weird theory of your own. There is no infinity of Alices > and Bobs who exist before any measurement is made.
Do you agree that there is an infinity of Alice in the case of aIu> + bId> when a^2 is irrational? I really don’t see how you interpret the singlet state in the non-collapse QM. > They do not "belong to different branches" because they do not exist, and > have never existed. This notion seems to be important to your idea, and I can > assure you that you are wrong about this. How could that be possible? You suppress the infinities of Alice and Bob only because you know in advance what is the direction in which Alice will make her measurement. What if she changes her mind? > > If you think you can justify this, then I ask you to write out the full > quantum mechanical treatment, in Everett's relative state formulation, that > establishes that this infinity of pre-measurement people is a feature of the > actual theory, and not just a figment of your imagination. Perhaps, after the combinators. If I do that I will use the GHZ state, to avoid the use of probability. But in my opinion, Price computations gives the right hint to proceed, and in the simple case we see what happens. The strange things with QM is that he phase space is real, and it is the place where the wave evolves purely locally. That explains already the locality, and the appearance of non-locality in all branches. Then yes, I extracted something close to Everett from arithmetic alone. With mechanism, it becomes a zero universe theory, but is still a many-histories theory. An history is always an infinity of computations that I am unable to distinguish. Bruno > > Bruce > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com > <mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list > <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
