> On 19 Sep 2018, at 04:32, Brent Meeker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On 9/18/2018 4:08 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 18 Sep 2018, at 06:52, Brent Meeker <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 9/17/2018 10:21 AM, John Clark wrote: >>>> >It can be duplicated, but it cannot feel the split. >>>> >>>> If a brain can't feel the split when its duplicated, and I agree it can't, >>>> then EVERYTHING (my capitalization) was so successfully duplicated that >>>> what the 2 brains were doing, mind, was identical. So although there are 2 >>>> brains there is only 1 mind. It is only when the matter in the 2 brains >>>> starts to be arranged differently, such as would happen the instant the >>>> doors were opened and they saw different things, that 2 minds emerge where >>>> only 1 was before. >>> >>> Is that even relevant. Brains are presumably psuedo-classical objects. >>> But they can't be strictly classical, so it seems likely that it is >>> impossible to exactly duplicate a brain. >> >> If by brain you mean the physical object, then indeed it is not 100% >> duplicable. > > Then one would not expect the Doctor to be 100% successful. > >> With mechanism, all physical object are actual infinities. Luckily that does >> not exist, > > What does not exist? infinities?
Indeed. The theory is either Classical Logic + 1) 0 ≠ s(x) 2) x ≠ y -> s(x) ≠ s(y) 3) x ≠ 0 -> Ey(x = s(y)) 4) x+0 = x 5) x+s(y) = s(x+y) 6) x*0=0 7) x*s(y)=(x*y)+x Or simply 1) Kxy = x 2) Sxyz = xz(yz) And nothing else. No axiom of infinity. Like Judson Webb analyses correctly; Mechanism is a finitism. Of course, the Löbian machine inside arithmetic will “invent” infinity, and it will be a powerful tool for figuring out what happens, but at some point, if they bet on computationalism, they will discard it at the ontic level. Bruno > > Brent > >> except as an appearances due to the first person indeterminacy on the >> arithmetical truth. That is why all modal nuances are so important in this >> context. It is the mechanist non cloning theorem. >> >> >> >> >> >>> So there will be a quick diveregence at the quantum level and that will >>> eventually (30sec ?) be amplified to some classical/computational >>> difference. But no matter how great the difference there's no reason to >>> suppose "the split" will be "felt”. >> >> All right, >> >> >> Bruno >> >> >> >>> >>> Brent >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to [email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list >>> <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list >> <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list > <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
