> On 28 Sep 2018, at 17:10, Philip Thrift <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 8:52:19 AM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote: > > > On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 12:42:11 PM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 2:44:18 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 28 Sep 2018, at 00:34, [email protected] <> wrote: >> >> Hello I think this good forum for this topic - what do you think about >> Mathematical Universe, there are very big arguments for that hypothesis: > > Yes, it was proved as a consequence of the Mechanist Hypothesis (well before > Tegmark introduced it as an hypothesis). > > > >> >> - applicability of mathematic, to natural sciences >> - all we discovere are structures and I didnt find explanation of the >> diference beetwen physical structures and mathematical structures. > > What Tegmark missed is the first person indeterminacy, which makes the > physical reality into a sort of statistics on *all* mathematical structures. > The physical reality is not a mathematical structure among others, but a > precise mathematical phenomenon, occurring in arithmetic. > > > > > > >> - scientists and philosophers of science tend to affirm belive in diverse >> structure and homogeneous substance (neutral monism) or mathematicism vide >> Ladyman, Ross, French, Tegmark etc. >> >> What are your thoughts. > > If mechanism is false, both substantial physicalism and non substantial > physicalism are wrong. Mechanism, in the cognitive science, makes the > physical reality not Turing emulbale (“digital physics” is incoherent). > Physics becomes reducible to machine’s psychology, or better, machine or > number theology. Unfortunately a giant gap remain between physicists (who > have the right question, but an inadequate metaphysics) and logician (who > have the right tool but run away from theology and metaphysics). > > The main advantage in using Mechanism (properly) is that incompleteness > justified all the modes of the self, and this makes possible to get a precise > theory of quanta and qualia. > > In this list, we are a bit in advance on this, to be short. I can give > references if asked. Actually I just gave them in some preceding posts. > > What some people missed, is that there has never been any evidence for > Aristotelian Primary Matter. Materialism will be abandoned as a lasting > supersitition. > > Bruno > > > > > On the other side it is held that numbers - universal numbers - actually > exist (arithmeticalism) is superstition. > > Even the texts in which the definition of the universal numbers appear are > material: They are seen as electronic dots on a screen in a PDF viewer, or > ink glyphs on paper in a printout, etc. But there is nothing more than that . > > There is nothing outside matter. > > Space is outside matter. Why can't you guys admit you're wrong about the MUH? > I gave a solid counter-example that puts it in the trash heap of erroneous > theories. AG > > (Materialism is not physicalism.) > > - pt > > > > I don't know. I think physicists say that there is no place in space where > there is actually nothing at all (and everything is somewhere).
Everting physical is somewhere, except the physical universe, if that exists. But with mechanism, there is no physical universe. The physical reality is entirely phenomenological. A persistent illusion of numbers, living in deep and linear histories… Bruno > > > - pt > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list > <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
