On Saturday, October 20, 2018 at 2:51:30 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
>
>
>
> On 10/20/2018 11:24 AM, Philip Thrift wrote:
>
>
>
> On Saturday, October 20, 2018 at 10:33:04 AM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/19/2018 11:32 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>> >> On 19 Oct 2018, at 23:43, Brent Meeker <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 10/19/2018 11:49 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>> >>> I work with people who studied religion all the times. You seem
>> unaware that we can doubt Aristotle theology.
>> >> You seem unaware that there is not such thing. Your "Aristotle
>> theology" is a straw man you invented to beat with stick labelled "primary
>> matter". I'll bet that if you ask a 100 physicists, "Do you believe in
>> primary matter." you'll get 99 answers of "What??”
>> > Because they have been brainwashed since about 529, into the idea that
>> “matter” is “primary matter”.
>>
>> No, they are not. It's simply irrelevant to them. They seek theories
>> to explain phenomena. They don't start by assuming some metaphysics.
>> They only care that the theory works. That's why it has been physicists
>> like Wheeler, Tegmark, Hawking,...who have wondered why equations work
>> at all.
>>
>> Brent
>>
>
>
>
> What physicist doesn't assume some metaphysical assumptions?
>
> The 3 mentioned above talked (1 still talks) about metaphysics all the
> time, of course. Even if they adopt a theory that someone else created,
> they are adopting the metaphysics of that theory. When Sean Carroll writes
> about the reality of the wave function, that's some heavy metaphysics.
>
>
> Sounds like physics to me. Does Carroll say the wave function is
> "primary", that there can be nothing more fundamental? No, he doesn't. He
> knows that QM
> and GR are incompatible and he no doubt hopes to find something that
> explains both of them. Does he care whether that new thing is "primary"?
> No.
>
> Brent
>
>
https://twitter.com/seanmcarroll/status/1051238813236752386
Sean Carroll @seanmcarroll
"Realism about the wave function is a good idea. (Even better, … about
the quantum state, but I won’t be picky.)"
re: Realism about the Wave Function
http://philsci-archive.pitt.edu/15153/
>
> Every language has a metaphysics.
>
> - pt
>
> "The world does not speak. Only we do. The world can, once we have
programmed ourselves with a language, cause us to hold beliefs. But it
cannot propose a language for us to speak."
-- Richard Rorty, Contingency of Language
[pdf] http://web.augsburg.edu/~crockett/120/Rorty-Contingency.pdf
- pt
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
"Everything List" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email
to [email protected].
To post to this group, send email to [email protected].
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
