> On 20 Oct 2018, at 21:51, Brent Meeker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On 10/20/2018 11:24 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> On Saturday, October 20, 2018 at 10:33:04 AM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >> >> >> On 10/19/2018 11:32 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> On 19 Oct 2018, at 23:43, Brent Meeker <[email protected] >> >> <javascript:>> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 10/19/2018 11:49 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> I work with people who studied religion all the times. You seem unaware >> >>> that we can doubt Aristotle theology. >> >> You seem unaware that there is not such thing. Your "Aristotle theology" >> >> is a straw man you invented to beat with stick labelled "primary matter". >> >> I'll bet that if you ask a 100 physicists, "Do you believe in primary >> >> matter." you'll get 99 answers of "What??” >> > Because they have been brainwashed since about 529, into the idea that >> > “matter” is “primary matter”. >> >> No, they are not. It's simply irrelevant to them. They seek theories >> to explain phenomena. They don't start by assuming some metaphysics. >> They only care that the theory works. That's why it has been physicists >> like Wheeler, Tegmark, Hawking,...who have wondered why equations work >> at all. >> >> Brent >> >> >> >> What physicist doesn't assume some metaphysical assumptions? >> >> The 3 mentioned above talked (1 still talks) about metaphysics all the >> time, of course. Even if they adopt a theory that someone else created, they >> are adopting the metaphysics of that theory. When Sean Carroll writes about >> the reality of the wave function, that's some heavy metaphysics. > > Sounds like physics to me. Does Carroll say the wave function is "primary", > that there can be nothing more fundamental? No, he doesn't. He knows that QM > and GR are incompatible and he no doubt hopes to find something that > explains both of them. Does he care whether that new thing is "primary"? No.
That is why they miss the explanation, and the consciousness problem. They are not aware of the difference between matter and primary matter, nor of the mind-body problem. Indeed they do physics, not metaphysics, nor fundamental cognitive science. Bruno > > Brent > >> >> Every language has a metaphysics. >> >> - pt >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list >> <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list > <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
