On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 3:05 AM Philip Thrift <cloudver...@gmail.com> wrote:
> *What in matter is not simulatable in arithmetic is experience.* > That's just a specific example of a more general concept, change. If you have an experience you have changed, you're different than if you did not have the experience. Matter can change, arithmetic can't. > *Matter has experientiality, not mere informationality. * > I don't see the distinction, information describes a change in matter, an experience needs a change and matter is the only known thing that can change. *> This runs counter to most current consciousness science,* > There is intelligence science but there is no such thing as consciousness science, at least none that I've heard of. > *> There are 3 or 4 consciousness science conferences in 2019.* > And I would bet money not one of them will produced anything new about consciousness, although no doubt there will be 6.02*10^23 consciousness theories presented, each one as good (or bad) as the other and all of them untestable and impossible to falsify. > > *A purely informational world could be emulated in arithmetic.* > Arithmetic never changes in time or space so it can't emulate anything without the help of something that can change, and that can only mean matter. Anything with the capacity to change will do and that's why one carbon atom is a good as another. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to firstname.lastname@example.org. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.