On Tuesday, November 27, 2018 at 5:45:33 PM UTC-6, John Clark wrote:
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> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 5:32 AM Bruno Marchal <[email protected]
> <javascript:>> wrote:
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>> *>What in “matter” plays the role of not being able to be emulated in
>> arithmetic.*
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>
> Intelligence needs change. Matter can change in both time and space.
> Arithmetic can change in neither.
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>
>> >>To hell with consciousness!
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>>
>> *> That its Dennett, or Churchland conclusion. Let us just deny
>> consciousness.*
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>
> I don't deny consciousness I'm just tired of hearing about it if nobody
> has anything interesting to say. First things first, before you have even a
> hope of understanding consciousness you're going to have to understand how
> intelligence works, until then you're just wasting time spinning your
> wheels.
>
> John K Clark
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>
>
Before this year (2018) I didn't pay attention to panpsychism. Today I
agree that
"Panpsychism is crazy. But it is also highly likely to be true."
(Philip Goff)
[
https://aeon.co/ideas/panpsychism-is-crazy-but-its-also-most-probably-true ]
What in matter is not simulatable in arithmetic is *experience*.
*Matter has experientiality, not mere informationality. *
This runs counter to most current consciousness science, which is
information-processing oriented. (Experience is not taken to be a
first-order property.) There are 3 or 4 consciousness science conferences
in 2019.
A purely informational world could be *emulated in arithmetic. *But the
existence of *experience* leads one to "real" materialism (Galen Strawson).
- pt
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