On Thursday, November 29, 2018 at 5:06:50 PM UTC, [email protected] wrote: > > > > On Thursday, November 29, 2018 at 4:56:51 PM UTC, [email protected] > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, November 29, 2018 at 4:22:54 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 28 Nov 2018, at 21:10, [email protected] wrote: >>> >>> Bruno, can you do it without resort to your idiosyncratic jargon? AG >>> >>> >>> >>> I can do that. >>> >> >> *I don't believe it can be done. For example, even if there exists such a >> thing as a complex sum whose amplitude squared can be calculated (and >> presumably something implied by arithmetic), how would you know that this >> is the way to calculate probabilities for quantum experiments? AG * >> > > *Put another way, there's nothing in pure arithmetic to indicate how to > calculate a probability in quantum experiments. Same goes for, say, the x > and p operators used in QM; and so forth. AG* >
*Regardless of rules of arithmetic and mathematical logic, I simply don't believe that something like Born's Rule can be inferred without actually observing a quantum interference pattern. AG* > > > > Actually the “universal dovetailer argument (UDA)” is a version of my >>> thesis accessible to kids, at least up to the seventh step (the 8th one >>> requires some good understanding of the Church’s or Turing’s thesis). >>> >>> But it might be quicker to read the sane04 paper, and ask me question >>> wherever you don’t understand? >>> >>> The UDA explains informally why, once we assume mechanism, we have to >>> recover the physical appearance from arithmetic only. >>> >>> The translation of the UDA in arithmetic gives then all the mathematical >>> details to do the extraction of physics, and we have got already the >>> quantum logics of the quanta and of the qualia (accepting some definitions >>> of course). But this of course asks for learning a bit of mathematical >>> logic (“my” idiosyncratic jargon, I guess). >>> >>> Now, if you prefer to study online, we can do that, step by step. Just >>> take a look at the sane04 paper, which you can read or download here: >>> >>> http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/publications/SANE2004MARCHALAbstract.html. >>> (*) >>> >>> And tell me if you prefer to ask me question, or to do the whole thing >>> step by step online. >>> >>> You might need to be patient, as I am still 500 mails late … >>> >>> Bruno >>> >>> >>> (*) B. Marchal. The Origin of Physical Laws and Sensations. In 4th >>> International System Administration and Network Engineering Conference, >>> SANE 2004, Amsterdam, 2004. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
