On Thursday, November 29, 2018 at 5:06:50 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Thursday, November 29, 2018 at 4:56:51 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, November 29, 2018 at 4:22:54 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 28 Nov 2018, at 21:10, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> Bruno, can you do it without resort to your idiosyncratic jargon? AG >>> >>> >>> >>> I can do that. >>> >> >> *I don't believe it can be done. For example, even if there exists such a >> thing as a complex sum whose amplitude squared can be calculated (and >> presumably something implied by arithmetic), how would you know that this >> is the way to calculate probabilities for quantum experiments? AG * >> > > *Put another way, there's nothing in pure arithmetic to indicate how to > calculate a probability in quantum experiments. Same goes for, say, the x > and p operators used in QM; and so forth. AG* >
*Regardless of rules of arithmetic and mathematical logic, I simply don't believe that something like Born's Rule can be inferred without actually observing a quantum interference pattern. AG* > > > > Actually the “universal dovetailer argument (UDA)” is a version of my >>> thesis accessible to kids, at least up to the seventh step (the 8th one >>> requires some good understanding of the Church’s or Turing’s thesis). >>> >>> But it might be quicker to read the sane04 paper, and ask me question >>> wherever you don’t understand? >>> >>> The UDA explains informally why, once we assume mechanism, we have to >>> recover the physical appearance from arithmetic only. >>> >>> The translation of the UDA in arithmetic gives then all the mathematical >>> details to do the extraction of physics, and we have got already the >>> quantum logics of the quanta and of the qualia (accepting some definitions >>> of course). But this of course asks for learning a bit of mathematical >>> logic (“my” idiosyncratic jargon, I guess). >>> >>> Now, if you prefer to study online, we can do that, step by step. Just >>> take a look at the sane04 paper, which you can read or download here: >>> >>> http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/publications/SANE2004MARCHALAbstract.html. >>> (*) >>> >>> And tell me if you prefer to ask me question, or to do the whole thing >>> step by step online. >>> >>> You might need to be patient, as I am still 500 mails late … >>> >>> Bruno >>> >>> >>> (*) B. Marchal. The Origin of Physical Laws and Sensations. In 4th >>> International System Administration and Network Engineering Conference, >>> SANE 2004, Amsterdam, 2004. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to everything-li...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
