On Sunday, December 2, 2018 at 12:11:50 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 30 Nov 2018, at 12:13, [email protected] <javascript:> wrote: > > > > On Friday, November 30, 2018 at 12:34:13 AM UTC, Brent wrote: >> >> What can be inferred always depends on what you take as premises. If you >> start from the Hilbert space formulation of QM or an equivalent formulation* >> and you premise that there is a probability interpretation of a state*, >> then Gleason's theorem tells you that the Born rule provides the unique >> probability values. >> >> Brent >> > > > *So to get Born's Rule, Bruno would have to assume a huge amount IN > ADDITION TO ARITHMETIC. I don't buy it. AG * > > > On the contrary, mechanism assumes less than any other theory. And > Mechanism is roughly the idea that the brain does not invoke magical things. > > The theory of everything, with mechanism assumed at the metalevel, assume > only S K, S≠K, and the axioms > > 1) If x = y and x = z, then y = z > 2) If x = y then xz = yz > 3) If x = y then zx = zy > 4) Kxy = x > 5) Sxyz = xz(yz) > > I doubt that you will find an easier theory. > (Exercice: prove that x = x) > > Bruno >
*But you haven't replied to my objection. In addition to logic and the axioms of arithmetic, you must ALSO assume such a thing as probability exists to even approach QM. What you have above won't cut it, IMO. AG * > > > > > > >> On 11/29/2018 10:23 AM, [email protected] wrote: >> >> *Regardless of rules of arithmetic and mathematical logic, I simply don't >> believe that something like Born's Rule can be inferred without actually >> observing a quantum interference pattern. AG* >> >> >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] <javascript:>. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > <javascript:>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
