> On 29 Nov 2018, at 18:06, [email protected] wrote: > > > > On Thursday, November 29, 2018 at 4:56:51 PM UTC, [email protected] wrote: > > > On Thursday, November 29, 2018 at 4:22:54 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 28 Nov 2018, at 21:10, [email protected] <> wrote: >> >> Bruno, can you do it without resort to your idiosyncratic jargon? AG > > > I can do that. > > I don't believe it can be done. For example, even if there exists such a > thing as a complex sum whose amplitude squared can be calculated (and > presumably something implied by arithmetic), how would you know that this is > the way to calculate probabilities for quantum experiments? AG > > Put another way, there's nothing in pure arithmetic to indicate how to > calculate a probability in quantum experiments.
I will explain why this is not only false, but why there is no choice once we assume Mechanism. Just be a little bit patient. Bruno > Same goes for, say, the x and p operators used in QM; and so forth. AG > > > Actually the “universal dovetailer argument (UDA)” is a version of my thesis > accessible to kids, at least up to the seventh step (the 8th one requires > some good understanding of the Church’s or Turing’s thesis). > > But it might be quicker to read the sane04 paper, and ask me question > wherever you don’t understand? > > The UDA explains informally why, once we assume mechanism, we have to recover > the physical appearance from arithmetic only. > > The translation of the UDA in arithmetic gives then all the mathematical > details to do the extraction of physics, and we have got already the quantum > logics of the quanta and of the qualia (accepting some definitions of > course). But this of course asks for learning a bit of mathematical logic > (“my” idiosyncratic jargon, I guess). > > Now, if you prefer to study online, we can do that, step by step. Just take a > look at the sane04 paper, which you can read or download here: > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/publications/SANE2004MARCHALAbstract.html > <http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/publications/SANE2004MARCHALAbstract.html>. > (*) > > And tell me if you prefer to ask me question, or to do the whole thing step > by step online. > > You might need to be patient, as I am still 500 mails late … > > Bruno > > > (*) B. Marchal. The Origin of Physical Laws and Sensations. In 4th > International System Administration and Network Engineering Conference, SANE > 2004, Amsterdam, 2004. > >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected] <>. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] <>. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list >> <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list > <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
