On Sat, Dec 8, 2018 at 4:04 AM Philip Thrift <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> What is more primary than numbers?
>
> 1. Numbers come from counting.
>

Numbers come from relationships upon which objective statements can be made
(with or without objects to count).
For example, I can make and prove a statement about a number with a million
digits.  Despite that there are not that many things (in my vicinity) to
count.


> But one counts things (things that are not numbers themselves, in the
> primitive case). So the things one counts + the one that counts must be
> more primary than numbers.
>
> 2. Numbers come from lambda calculus (LC). But LC - a programming language
> - needs a machine LCM to interpret LC programs. So LC + LCM is more primary
> than numbers.
>
>
You can build computers and programs out of equations concerning the
arithmetical relationships that exist between numbers.  See my post "Do we
live in a Diophantine equation":
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/everything-list/KTopDTsOW10/TqYgylAiBgAJ

Jason

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