On 12/20/2018 4:30 PM, Jason Resch wrote:


On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 1:16 PM Brent Meeker <meeke...@verizon.net <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote:



    On 12/20/2018 1:11 AM, Jason Resch wrote:


    On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 5:39 PM Bruce Kellett
    <bhkellet...@gmail.com <mailto:bhkellet...@gmail.com>> wrote:

        On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 9:47 AM Brent Meeker
        <meeke...@verizon.net <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote:

            On 12/18/2018 6:34 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
            That wasn't my question.  Do you believe your experience
            rules out the block universe?
            If you mean a pre-determined universe, I think that is
            ruled out by quantum randomness.  But I don't think our
            experience rules out there being a 4-dimensional map of
            all events.


        Sure. General relativity gives us the idea of a 4-dimensional
        Lorentzian manifold, over which one can lay a coordinate chart.
        But that is not an ontology.


    But my point is it could be (and that it is a simpler theory if
    it is).

    But the inference often drawn from this picture is
    hyper-determinism.  Hyper-determinism isn't impossible, but it's
    not implied by the fact that there can be 4-space map for labeling
    events.


What is hyper determinism and how does it different from plain old determinism?

It includes the behavior of the experimenters, so Alice and Bob don't have any freedom to choose the orientation of detectors. Gerard t'Hooft is the main advocate.

Brent



Jason
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