> On 26 Apr 2019, at 10:09, [email protected] wrote: > > > > That is a good point. > > And that is the basic framework of Strawsonian panpsychism: > > Consciousness Isn’t a Mystery. It’s Matter. > - > https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/16/opinion/consciousness-isnt-a-mystery-its-matter.html > > <https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/16/opinion/consciousness-isnt-a-mystery-its-matter.html>
Yes, the believer in Ontological Matter can get that crazy. When they don’t eliminate consciousness, they identify it with matter, but then I have no more any idea what they mean by consciousness, nor matter. It like saying that apple are oranges, or that dogs are cats, or that music are black spot. To be sure, I have not read the text in the link, but I doubt it could clarify anything like that. Matter and consciousness are typically very different things. Consciousness is ascribed to person, matter is ascribed to their (local) bodies. Both exist phenomenologically, with digital mechanism, but one is far more general than the other, and once (consciousness) is responsible from creating, in some sense, the other (matter). Consciousness needs only small numbers, matter needs the full invariance of consciousness on all “similar enough” computations, and use infinities (phenomenologically, as the ontology has not infinities). Matter obeys to the laws of physics, but consciousness obeys to the laws of mind (the laws of Boole and the laws of Boolos, as I sum up sometimes, that is classical logic + the laws of self-reference). Bruno > > > -@philipthrift <https://twitter.com/philipthrift> > > > > > On Friday, April 26, 2019 at 2:04:31 AM UTC-5, Cosmin Visan wrote: > Consciousness. Red is red. > > On Friday, 26 April 2019 10:03:26 UTC+3, [email protected] <> wrote: > But off of what? > > What specific ontological entity or entities of any science in 2019 does one > claim as final - i.e., that ontology is the "true" one? > > If none, should we expect that in some future year we will find some final > ontology? > > Or: If it is a final ontology, we found it by "luck", and we don't know if > it's final even if it is. > > - pt > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list > <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
