> On 22 Apr 2019, at 06:41, Terren Suydam <[email protected]> wrote: > > 1) Causality can still exist even if time is an illusion. For example in > block-time, time is an indexical - all times can be said to exist at once - > but that in no way diminishes the role of causality in describing the > dynamics and interactions of the system as time 't' varies.
Yes. Like computation exists in arithmetic, and each universal number determines a notion of causality, even an infinite number of such notions, up to some notion of responsibility and free-will. > > 2) I don't even know how to make sense of this claim. The whims of competing > consciousnesses are what determine the laws of physics? To me this is > indistinguishable from "God did it". There's no way to reason about it, no > hope for making predictions or improving understanding. You'd have to > understand the minds of the consciousnesses whose competition creates reality. With mechanism, there is no choice: physics must be explained in term of number’s dream statistics. The logic of this gives a quantum logic, mincing nature confirming Mechanism (and its immaterialism). Until we get evidence for some matter (like observing a discrepancy between the physics extracted from arithmetic), it is just premature to assume some material world, especially for singularising some computations, which would be like invoking a god, indeed. Bruno > > 3) Also, other consciousnesses want me to die... right? > > > On Sun, Apr 21, 2019 at 4:41 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > wrote: > > > On Saturday, 20 April 2019 02:15:40 UTC+3, Terren Suydam wrote: > 1) I'm not sure I can make sense of the term 'influence' without causation. > In every instance I can think of, to influence something means to exert some > kind of force on it such that it behaves differently then it otherwise would > have. It causes it to change. > > The thing is that time itself is a quale in consciousness. You can have > temporal extended periods in consciousness that happen all at once. You can > see it as a movie that already exists. If you attend-along to the movie it > appears to you as if there are causal powers happening there. But the movie > exists all at once, so causality is an illusion. I'm writing about this in > "The Quale of Time". > > 2) I'm not following your evolutionary account of competing consciousnesses, > and how that leads to constraints that I cannot influence. What evolutionary > dynamic is responsible for gravity? I'd sure like to flap my arms and fly. > Why can't I? > > Because there are other consciousness that don't want you to fly. And they > are many and they win. Gravity is an external appearance of internal > interactions that take place in other consciousnesses. Those consciousnesses > are not necesseraily linked to biological bodies, so there is no easy way to > pinpoint them. They are living in their internal worlds. And their > interactions are as such that to us it appears that there is a thing that we > call "gravity". > > 3) How do you account for death in your worldview? If there are no such > things as electrons or brains, then what about the ultimate constraint? Why > do people die? > > In my view, death is just a transition to another life. Since Self is > eternal, it means that death is just a point in which the experiences of the > Self are changing. Why exactly it turned out to be this way has to do again > both with evolution and probably also to some inerent fact about the very > nature of self-reference to need diversity to be able to exist. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list > <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list > <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
