On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 9:04 PM Bruce Kellett <[email protected]> wrote:
> From: Jason Resch <[email protected]> > > On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 6:02 PM Bruce Kellett <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 11:42 PM Jason Resch <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 8:16 AM Bruce Kellett <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Then with mechanism, we get the many-histories from a simple fact to >>>>> prove: all computations are realised in all models of arithmetic. >>>>> >>>> >>>> But arithmetic does not exist independently of the human mind, and >>>> mechanism is manifestly a pipe dream. >>>> >>>> >>> You sound certain. What is your evidence? >>> >>> Jason >>> >> >> The is no evidence for mathematical realism, >> > > There is plenty given in my other post to you. Even if there were none, > what evidence do you have against it for you to be so sure it is false? > (mathematical realism is the leading philosophy of mathematics, among > mathematicians, > > On Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays.The other days of the week most > mathematicians are nominalists! (And I had this from a professional > mathematician!) > > > That's an anecdote, not data. > what is your alternative?) > > Nominalism. > > > Incompleteness disproves nominalism. Arithmetical truth was proven not only to be not human defined, but to be not human definable. > and mechanism is a failed idea because it cannot account for our >> experience. >> > > So you believe an AI that was functionally equivalent to you would be a > philosophical zombie? > > Not at all. That does not follow. > If it doesn't follow then the functionally equivalent AI would be conscious. Therefore mechanism. What am I missing? > (Mechanism is the leading theory of mind among philosophers of mind, > > Maybe for some philosophers of mind. But there are many other > possibilities, most of which are more convincing. > > > what is your alternative?) > > Why should I have an alternative? I can know that a theory does not work > without providing a theory that does work. > > Above you said there are other possibilities which are more convincing. What are they and why are they more convincing? Jason -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CA%2BBCJUhnNBFGmDVy0YR0Xu03TSs0Nz3kcvfvkKKnnVgFpC9Acg%40mail.gmail.com.
