On Thursday, May 23, 2019 at 6:08:11 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
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> On 5/23/2019 3:37 PM, Lawrence Crowell wrote:
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> The Torah, Tanach and to a degree as I understand the Christian New 
> Testament are mythic narratives meant to bring meaning to various aspects 
> of inner mental space or psychology.
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> I think you impute to much cleverness there.   A lot it is, or was, 
> intended as real history providing both provenance and justification for 
> whatever ethics was being pushed at the time.
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> Brent
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The writers of these narratives were rather clever. These are done in a 
literary "shape-shifter" fashion so that they can be interpreted in a wide 
range of ways. The book of Exodus, or Shemot (שְׁמוֹת) in Hebrew Shem = 
name and Shemot is plural or means the list of names, has the children of 
Israel leave Egypt (Mitzrayim) in the narrow place (Mezaryim), narrow in 
one meaning because of the Nile. They are lead to the Red Sea where the 
water is separated and crash, where red is symbolic of blood. Also remember 
one of the plagues on Egypt was the Nile turned to blood. This is a birth 
motif, and certainly one message is this is a metaphor for the birth of 
Israel. The Torah is packed full of this sort of thing, and it involves a 
lot of word play. 

This is not to say there are not literal meanings as well, which in 
different ages are rather different. The American conservative Protestant 
idea about Christianity is a peculiar redaction on the whole meaning. I 
can't say about the Koran and what Islamic scholars think. It is not a 
subject I have delved into, nor am I ever likely to. Samiya has posted some 
curious stuff that equates Koranic passages with meaning about atoms and at 
one time if I recall about the Higgs boson. So the writers there were 
clever enough to make the narratives and poetry shift metaphors and 
retranslate meaning into different forms as the world learns and matures. 
It really is one reason these scriptures have remained so culturally and 
socially powerful for many centuries.

My religious background is Judaism and Catholicism. I ended up choosing 
Judaism, simply because it is in a way more intellectual, it is more fun, 
and Catholicism has it perks here and there but it is also rather grave and 
grey. I generally consider myself quite agnostic about the idea of an 
infinite disembodied entity that created and controls everything. The idea 
simply runs into contradictions. I can still go to the minion, where it is 
the same reason the fiddler stays on the roof (Issac B Singer) --- 
tradition. If I were Catholic instead I think it would be the same thing. 

LC

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