> On 24 May 2019, at 04:27, Samiya Illias <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> On 23-May-2019, at 10:20 PM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> You said that you did not want to debate. I read all your post, and reply >> long ago explains what I am not convinced, and why I think it departs from >> the sort of truth consistent with my working assumption. > > Yes, you do respond to posts on this list. What I meant to write was that you > haven’t read my blogposts, since I do refer to The Bible in a number of my > blogposts. It is an article of faith to believe that just like The Quran, > prior scriptures have also been revealed by Allah for guidance.
Which is a bit annoying, unless the texts are not taken literally, and that we do some historical/psychological cleaning of them. > >> >> I think we have agreed on where we disagree, but I am open to discuss this >> further. But your post seems to reflect more Al Ghazali than Averroes (Ibn >> Rushd). If I am wrong on this, please correct me. To sum up the difference, >> the difference is in between submitting text to reason (and thus >> comparison), Avrroès, instead of submitting Reason to Text (Al Ghazali, >> which leads to literalism, which leads to conflicts). > > I believe that the God who created me and granted me the ability to speak and > express my self is capable of expressing and communicating perfectly, and > thus the scriptures must be taken literally. That’s the problem. When Islam did not taken its Text literally, the muslims were rich both “materially” and “spitulaly” and they were so open that they translated the greeks and did the best science ever, which stopped when Al Ghazali declared that Reason must be subservient to the Text, a bit like the modern “Muslim Brotherhood” have developed a model of democracy subservient to Islam, but that does not make much sense. Literalism in religion leads to atheism, which will usually take the last religion for granted, like today most atheist are believer in the metaphysical Aristotelian conception of reality. Then, they act like priest when science contradicts them, like the Church with Copernicus or Giordano Bruno. > > I’m delightfully pleased with the factual accuracy of The Quran and share my > learnings in over a hundred blogposts. Psychology explains that factual accuracy can even been found with random text, when people are pushed to believe the text makes some sense. Even the arithmetical proposition gives problem of interpretation. Then when you take the gospel or the Quran literally, antisemtisme and the hate of the homosexuals, and the jews, if not the killing of those people, is not very far. I tell you frankly that from my personal reading of the Quran, I even doubt it has been written by the same people. I can appreciate the first half, but the second half seems hateful. The numerous radical muslim groups use this in their discourse of hate. Litteralism automatically makes you like asserting “I know the truth”. It is embarrassing for people having other Text. > > I have neither read Avrroes nor Al Ghazali. You can draw parallels if you > wish. The parallel is that I am close to Averroes and Maimonides who criticise literalism in religion, and suggest to use only science, to get better and better non literal understanding of the theological ideas which might be in the Text. It points on what is common, and non trivial, in all religions. It proceeds like in the axiomatic way in science. It can be improved. You seems closer to Al Ghazali, who has reshaped Islam by enforcing the literal reading of the text, which has led the Middle-east to follow the same darkness than the christian after their religion has been enrolled in “politics”, for special lucrative interest. To mix religion and state, or the spiritual with the terrestrial, seems tp me to be already blasphemous. Bruno > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/92503E6D-DAA2-45E9-8F94-27B1B559E52B%40gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/74D35613-BBEC-4FB6-A37B-EF9A803DFC02%40ulb.ac.be.
