> On 23 May 2019, at 20:55, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On 5/23/2019 10:04 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> That is the original sense of “god” by those who invented theology, from >> which they extracted physics and mathematics as competing theory about the >> fundamental reality (to simplify things a little bit). > > Those who invented theology observed many events that affected their lives > and which involved forces beyond their control and comprehension: disease, > storms, earthquakes, famine, volcanoes,... So just as they attributed the > actions of their acquaintances to inner emotions reflecting their own, they > attributed these forces to spirits, inner agents, that acted out of passion > and which could be placated as one would placate an angry human.
I agree. That’s how naive theology is done at the popular level. But with Pythagorus and Plato, the reflection get much deeper, is the god-like notion of agent is no more invoked, except in allegorical ways. > For them there was not the distinction that came later between religion, > magic, and science. Indeed. The doctor were shaman, religion was still science, even if very naïve at the beginning, notably with the quasi instinctive feeling that the physical reality is a given. Plato is the guy who took some distance from this. Aristotle is the guy who came back to this. > As science, beginning with Thales of Miletus, rejected the idea a agency > behind events it was split from religion and magic. OK. > The failure of magic to provide control resulted in religion largely > rejecting it and instead claiming that the god(s) demanded various moral > behaviors favorable to a priesthood and control by leaders, and could not be > manipulated and controlled by magic. The problem is that the institutionalised religion have confused magic and the mystical experience, which is the true origin of religion, to begin with consciousness. The other problem is that when theology has been separated from since, not only magic and mystical experience have discouraged (to sy the least), but Reason has been forbidden too, leading to the obscurantist era (in 529, when the neoplatonist will escape in the Middle-east, making science surviving there (the golden Islamic era) to eventually dssaper there too after 1248, where the neoplatonist idea will comes in Europa leading to the Renaissance, yet still not really transformed, as the fundamental science per-definition is still in the and of the pseudo-religious people of the inset-itutionalized religion and academies. Bruno > > Brent > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/8a798113-26af-cec1-af70-a98952c5bd6a%40verizon.net. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/FEED2419-24AC-4D75-8546-9CCCBBDA4352%40ulb.ac.be.
