> On 3 Jun 2019, at 04:59, Samiya Illias <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On 02-Jun-2019, at 11:38 PM, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > wrote: > >>> Here the materialist often fails, as they talk like if they knew primitive >>> matter exists, >> >> A straw man. Nothing I wrote referred to primitive matter. > > The Quran does mention the existence of something before and beyond the > ‘universe/ cosmos/ space’ we live in. This may be of interest: > https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2019/01/space-before-and-beyond.html > <https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2019/01/space-before-and-beyond.html> >
That is still rather Aristotelian. The first half of the Quran is better than that, it contains the just reference to Judaism, and you can feel the openness to neoplatonism, where indeed there was something deeper than the physical reality at play at the origine of the physical reality (the how and why being indeed addressed in the Quran). The second half of the Quran is more problematic, and in my opinion, not written by the same people, or something happened to them. It is problematic both on the metaphysical level, but also on the ethical level, doubly so if it is taken literally (as it contains basic hate speech toward non-muslims, especially the jews, even some call for murdering some people, or sentences which can be interpreted easily that way). That is obviously even aggravated by the fact that many muslims do kill many people today, and this by invoking Allah. The media seems to skip this, but there is an actual genocide of christians in many muslims countries, and they refer to the Quran and even worst Hadith. The canonical theology of the machine (the Solovay logic G*) explains why theology, even as a science, contains a trap. It shows that the frontier between Enlightenment and madness is very thin.That is wise, in the ideal world of the self-referentially correct machine, the wise say mute and trust the big-one-who-has-no-name to make any religious advertising. Allah is being name and words, and religious text can help when not taken literally, and becomes a source of burdens and suffering when taken literally. G* proves <>[]f (the consistency of inconsistency) G proves <>t -> <>[]f (if I am consistent then it is consistent that I am inconsistent, if I am not mad, then it is possible that I am mad). With Mechanism, the closer to Allah you are, the more modest and openminded you become. Bruno > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/5FA9BBDF-1EAB-46A1-9270-0C9935CA13EF%40gmail.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/5FA9BBDF-1EAB-46A1-9270-0C9935CA13EF%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/AEC81733-1E87-42CF-B373-E89F726F36A6%40ulb.ac.be.
