> On 24 Jun 2019, at 11:29, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Le lun. 24 juin 2019 à 11:18, Bruno Marchal <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> a écrit : > >> On 24 Jun 2019, at 05:55, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On 6/23/2019 5:40 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> >>>> On 21 Jun 2019, at 21:49, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >>>> <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 6/21/2019 5:35 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 21 Jun 2019, at 09:04, Bruce Kellett <[email protected] >>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 4:26 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >>>>>> <[email protected] >>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> To disconfirm MWI you'd have to observe statistics far from the expected >>>>>> value, >>>>>> >>>>>> To make my point more strongly, that is the wrong way round. Observation >>>>>> of statistics far from the expected value is what would be required to >>>>>> confirm MWI. >>>>> >>>>> I don’t see this at all. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> The fact that we don't observe such results is the strongest possible >>>>>> case against MWI! >>>>> >>>>> ? >>>>> >>>>> The probability to see a deviation is the same in both Everett, and >>>>> Copenhagen. The deviation expected is the same, so if there is a >>>>> deviation, it can hardly be used to claim one theory is more correct than >>>>> the other. >>>> >>>> But as Bruce points out Tegmark's machine gun experiment is effectively >>>> being carried out by each of us. >>> >>> That is quantum immortality. On this list I have defend this, but Tegmark >>> rejected it, and claimed that the survival to quantum suicide does not >>> entail quantum immortality. He might have changed his mind since, perhaps. >>> >>> >>> >>>> So if each of us lives on a million years in some branch of the MW, then >>>> each of us will experience 99.9% of our life as a very old person among >>>> people younger than 100yrs. >>> >>> Unless there are intimidate realities in between Earth and Heaven. >> >> It would still imply that each person would experience only a small part of >> their existence surrounded by other persons whose age differed by less that >> 120yr from their own. And so each of us should be surprised that we find >> ourself in exactly that kind of world. > > > Using some anthropoid argument, but like fine tuning, I tend to agree with > Vic that is is not really convincing, and should be handled mathematically. > Only progress in the mathematical theology will show if this threat Mechanism > or not. > > Bruno > > The thing is we should first be born before being 1000000 years... so it > seems not surprising finding yourself "young", that you are with other > "young" people. > > If our age was randomly selected, then I agree it should be a surprise > finding yourself young... but as you cannot be old *before* having being > young *you have to* find youself young first in the flow of your life.
That is a good point. It still entails that we might find ourselves *very* old some day, from the first person perspective, among young people, which is not a nice prospect (but then science is not wishful thinking, except perhaps for the Löbian placebo sort of effect …). Bruno > > Quentin > > > >> >> Brent >> >>> That is the whole subject of mathematical theology. Computer science >>> justifies jumps and intermediate realities. It is not an obvious subjects, >>> but the nuances given by incompleteness provides some light. Some personal >>> experience, like with some plants, can help, but can also mislead. Nothing >>> is obvious, and everything requires a lot of work. >>> >>> Bruno >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Brent >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "Everything List" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to [email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/c0263226-63a2-183b-2e0b-c093be94bc20%40verizon.net >>>> >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/c0263226-63a2-183b-2e0b-c093be94bc20%40verizon.net?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to [email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/FDF9CDE1-D3EA-45F6-8DEC-20659FC0F1B9%40ulb.ac.be >>> >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/FDF9CDE1-D3EA-45F6-8DEC-20659FC0F1B9%40ulb.ac.be?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/c4f526ad-1ed0-d143-328c-5409fd16b642%40verizon.net >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/c4f526ad-1ed0-d143-328c-5409fd16b642%40verizon.net?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/B2423766-B9BA-4B22-9FB2-5831E7B63121%40ulb.ac.be > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/B2423766-B9BA-4B22-9FB2-5831E7B63121%40ulb.ac.be?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. > > > -- > All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. (Roy Batty/Rutger > Hauer) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAMW2kAqzRY4%2BEq65xNSBeS3%2BAFomEXDjJrbe0kQ9fkH90AAubQ%40mail.gmail.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAMW2kAqzRY4%2BEq65xNSBeS3%2BAFomEXDjJrbe0kQ9fkH90AAubQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/E7E629CF-35F8-44E9-ABEF-7A8402C3823F%40ulb.ac.be.
