> On 15 Jul 2019, at 00:24, Bruce Kellett <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 11:01 PM PGC <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > On Sunday, July 14, 2019 at 11:00:30 AM UTC+2, Bruno Marchal wrote: > On 13 Jul 2019, at 12:31, PGC <[email protected] <>> wrote: >> On Saturday, July 13, 2019 at 10:41:00 AM UTC+2, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> I need a formula, and means to test it experimentally. Just to make some >> sense, and compare with the consequence of Mechanism. >> >> If you disagree with the proof of the incompatibility of Mechanism and >> (weak) Materialism, it would be nice to explain why. >> >> "Mechanism" is not refutable. > > Digital Mechanism is not refutable by introspection. But as it implies that > physics, and notably the logic of the observable obeys some logics (indeed > some quantum logic), it can be refuted (or judged less plausible) by > comparing the physical principles extracted from Mechanism with the > observation. Up to now, thanks to the “quantum weirdness” and its > “many-histories” interpretation, Mechanism fits with the observation. > > > Retrodiction plus the usual oversimplification. What a surprise. > > A historically nuanced view encompassing developments in all supposed fields > up to the present day, which conveniently don't include philosophical > (assemble Greek scholars for your interpretations and cite them, if you hold > yours truly to be wrong), metaphysical, literal, and aesthetic developments - > "mechanism fitting with observation" is an unclear aesthetic/personal > standard of evidence - and would never pass any university > department/academic panel worth its salt. > > Anybody with even an inclination of the complexity involved in the sweeping > generality of the claims purporting to explain the origin of physical laws, > reality, existence etc. - even a failed literature bachelor - would red flag > the ubiquitous truth assignments, the lack of verifiability, and ask for > extraordinary amounts - and measures of proof along with consequences of an > alleged metaphysics. Results. Not non-results, particularly as semantically, > the whole enterprise can be interpreted as anti-scientific, as well as a > confidence trick. > > Technically, it might have passed in isolated, less rigorous settings in the > past. But ethically, philosophically, linguistically, metaphysically, > physically? Today, in 2019? Sorry, but folks would laugh at the coarse > takeover attempt of the scientific enterprise with such an innocent, > personalized conception of evidence, science etc. They'd ask to be shown the > goods and your non-answer is clear. An infinite amount of posting/explanation > won't change it. Science is a "show me" kind of enterprise. You overrate > explanations and excuses. PGC > > Well said, PGC. I couldn't agree more, and I couldn't have said it half as > well.
Can you explain it? I don’t understand. I don’t see a point, unless you agree you would see a defense of physicalism, which explains your attachement to Aristotle metaphysical hypothesis (a primitively irreducible physical reality). PGC is supposed to defend Platonism, and you defend Aristotle, so I am not sure on what you are agreeing. Don’t hesitate to clarify, but keep in mind that I do not assume, neither the existence of a physical primary universe, nor its non existence. I assume only what I need to define computationalisme, and this needs only Church’s thesis (and thus very elementary arithmetic) and the “yes doctor” practical leap of faith. Bruno > > Bruce > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAFxXSLRq_LxK0ABx5Ei%3D4qFdLLuEyAb_gAV76HtNBq%2Bvb2Jjmw%40mail.gmail.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAFxXSLRq_LxK0ABx5Ei%3D4qFdLLuEyAb_gAV76HtNBq%2Bvb2Jjmw%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/AF651275-8766-4B72-9AC1-067464D6CCCF%40ulb.ac.be.
