On 7/22/2019 10:18 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On Tue, 23 Jul 2019 at 14:51, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:On 7/22/2019 9:31 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:On Tue, 23 Jul 2019 at 12:07, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: On 7/22/2019 6:19 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:You might wish to maintain this theory, but you, yourself, have directly contradicted it by saying that our sense of self depends on the inputs to the brain. The qualification "directly" adds nothing but obfuscation. The inputs to the brain affect the brain state, and our experiences depend on the brain state. If a particular brain state could be implemented in the absence of inputs, the experience would be the same as if the inputs were there. Do you disagree with this?I disagree with it. Experiences are not states, they're processes and the processes include the inputs. Probably you can have experiences without sensory input, although as I recall when sensory deprivation research was popular it was found that after a half-hour or less one's thoughts tended to enter a closed loop. Hallucinations are experiences in the absence of the usual input.How do you know that? Why aren't they just unusual responses to the input?The patient says he can hear his neighbour saying he is going to kill him, but no-one else can hear this. Sometimes there is a different sound, such as of traffic or the wind, which is misinterpreted as voices, sometimes there is no sound at all.
So what. Maybe it's a response to some hormone release or what he ate for lunch? If he's mis-wired the voices could be a response to what a normal person would describe as his ear itching.
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