On Sun, Aug 25, 2019 at 1:01 PM Russell Standish <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 07:34:26PM -0700, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything > List wrote: > > > > > > On 8/24/2019 6:31 PM, Russell Standish wrote: > > > On Sun, Aug 25, 2019 at 10:06:38AM +1000, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > > > On Sun, Aug 25, 2019 at 9:45 AM Russell Standish < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 05:18:47PM -0400, John Clark wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >> OK so 0=1, that's fine. > > > > > > > > > > > No, that is not fine. If 0=1, pigs have wings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes but that's OK too, if nothing physical exists then pigs > and wings > > > > can't > > > > > cause problems because they don't exist. And there are no > minds that > > > > might be > > > > > upset by paradoxes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's kind of the point, though. Minds are nonphysical things, > and > > > > there is no apriori reason why physical things need to exist > for minds > > > > to exist. > > > > > > > > > > > > You have evidence for disembodied minds? > > > That's not an apriori reason. Assuming you're in principle OK with the > > > concept of a brain in a vat (which is a disembodied mind), then the > > > you too do not have an apriori reason for the existence of physical > > > things. > > > > > > > > > > I don't see that a brain in a vat counts as a disembodied mind. Do you > mean > > a brain that has no environment to perceive or act on? I would deny that > > such an isolated brain instantiates a mind. On the other hand, if the > brain > > has sensors and actuators operating, say a Mars Rover, then it isn't > > disembodied. > > > > Brent > > > > Yes - I know your argument. In the BIV scenario, the environment could > be simulated. Basically Descartes' evil daemon (malin genie) > scenario. Nothing about the observed physics (bodies and whatnot) > exists in any fundamental sense. > Presumably the vat is a physical object that provides nutrients, power, etc to the BIV. That does not count as disembodied in my book. Bruce -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAFxXSLTaeyNtFgCgx%2Bin2a%2BD%3Dis_5JEsNdv4EEeuRE%2B6aAZqWQ%40mail.gmail.com.
