On Sun, Aug 25, 2019 at 12:14 AM Russell Standish <[email protected]>
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> *This is all different from John Clark's argument that something mustexist
> to breathe fire into all the computations. He calls thatsomething "matter",
> and strongly disavows the ability of arithmetic todo this. Bruno Marchal
> claims the opposite - that arithmetic, or infact any abstract system
> capable of universal computation, issufficient for the job. To be quite
> frank, I'm a fence sitter in thisdebate, as I've yet to see any physically
> realisable experiment thatcan settle the matter.*


I have.  Add 2 +2 on your computer. Observe the output. Hit your computer
as hard as you can with the hammer. Add 2 +2 on your computer again.
Observe if the output has changed. Note that a hammer can change physical
things but can't change arithmetic.

John K Clark

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